Victory vs 36 Tethys - Results

[katadder]

try to get 32 ships into one arc and not lose them all to explosions.

 

[Arch Lector Petrovski]

try to get 32 ships into one arc and not lose them all to explosions.

:lol: Can you say catastrophic chain reaction? :lol: Let's see, stop and pivot, launch E-mine. Bye bye bugs.

 

[Kyle81]

Adaptive armor is only reason the ship survived. Even in 2e, most larger class ships still get owned by massive amounts of damage. Some ships are better than others, but again adaptive armor is the main thing that keeps any big ship alive, without it most large ships just get torn apart.

 

[Calistan]

What is the 2e priority point split?

 

[Da Boss]

There is a download on the mian ACTA page whihc goes through the splits!

 

[Calistan]

Of course wouldn't it be more accurate to do 1 Victory vs. 64 Tethys as that's what the real value is supposed to be? It's only that breaking one armageddon point into patrol ships forces you to do a bad breakdown.

That is exactly the good thing about playing a game at 1 point Armageddon! It penalizes swarm fleets and gives enough advantage to large ships, to balance the natural advantage that swarms have in ACtA.

This is the proof - seems like a very balanced fight!

Now try that at 5 point Raid. 40 Tethys versus... err you can't even get a Victory. Tara'Lin plus White Star?

Bye bye ISA...

Maybe there should be different splits according to the priority level of the match, instead of an all encompassing split. I know it is a little more work, but it might make the game more balanced.

 

[Celisasu]

Of course wouldn't it be more accurate to do 1 Victory vs. 64 Tethys as that's what the real value is supposed to be? It's only that breaking one armageddon point into patrol ships forces you to do a bad breakdown.

That is exactly the good thing about playing a game at 1 point Armageddon! It penalizes swarm fleets and gives enough advantage to large ships, to balance the natural advantage that swarms have in ACtA.

This is the proof - seems like a very balanced fight!

Now try that at 5 point Raid. 40 Tethys versus... err you can't even get a Victory. Tara'Lin plus White Star?

Bye bye ISA...

Which brings us back to twofers apparently being too powerful.

Now lets say we had an 8 point raid and did the Victory vs. 32 non-twofer patrol ships. Since the Victory is the best Armageddon what's the best patrol level ship that's not a twofer? Is the game balanced where swarms are concerned other than twofers?

 

[Silvereye]

Hey, what about an Armageddon choice (not Vorlon/Shadow) Vs a swarm of Claweagles?

 

[scorpioni]

The Jashakar Torpedo variant has some nice ranged output, coupled with 2AD MoD bolters

 

[Locutus9956]

try to get 32 ships into one arc and not lose them all to explosions.

32 ships on small bases with 20" missile pods? No problem and if your using smaller range ships, try getting them in MULTIPLE arcs and not losing them to explosions anyway! And if your fighting an emine armed ship then your going to lose swathes of them anyway, however I should add that while I still maintain that the VCD is still the best bet for this Im not writting off other ships chances by a long way, especially the KaBinTak for the simple reason that advanced emines are, I would wager, devastating in this sort of situation and liable to score multiple kills every time they crank up and fire!

To expand on the 'fitting them all in' thing though, a 90 decrec circular arc with a 20" radius (ie the area you can place a missile tethys in and still be in the same firing arc of the target and be itself in range to fire its missiles) is over 300 square inches of area! 32 Tethys bases use up about, well, 32 suqare inches of area (slightly less in fact since theyre circular but its a close enough approxiamtion) Thats LOADS of room to play with, 32 ships may SEEM like alot of space but its not as bad as you think, now granted you may have to clump SOME of them up a little to avoid things like emine blast radii (personally I wouldnt though, Id just space them out as evenly as possible, worst case scenario youre unlikely to lose more then 3 or 4 to a single emin shote and frankly even LESS from exploding ships)

 

[thePirv]

I should add that while I still maintain that the VCD is still the best bet for this Im not writting off other ships chances by a long way, especially the KaBinTak for the simple reason that advanced emines are, I would wager, devastating in this sort of situation and liable to score multiple kills every time they crank up and fire!

I'll second that on the Ka'Bin'Tak. The sheer firepower of that thing coupled with the 45" e-mine and massive damage track make it a true beast that would have quite a bit of any swarm in ruins before the swarm even closed, and once things do get into close quarters, the Ka'Bin'Tak just gets even better.

THe Drakh Mothership would also rock against a swarm fleet because of the high damage, great GEG and the fact that it cheats by not going into the fight alone :lol:

 

[Locutus9956]

True enough but then again most other armageddon ships go in with a hefty fighter compliment (although Ill grant that fighter compliment is hardly equivalent to the small fleet you can park inside a drakh mothership! :lol: )

 

[Arch Lector Petrovski]

Just think, if you took the Drahk Mothership you could have an Armageddon level ship and a small fleet.

 

[thePirv]

Just think, if you took the Drahk Mothership you could have an Armageddon level ship and a small fleet.

Small fleet? Have you seen how MUCH you can cram into one of those motherships? It's a medium sized fleet at the bery least!

 

[Arch Lector Petrovski]

Just think, if you took the Drahk Mothership you could have an Armageddon level ship and a small fleet.

Small fleet? Have you seen how MUCH you can cram into one of those motherships? It's a medium sized fleet at the bery least!

Haven't got the books yet, but I knew there was a fleet of some scale in there. Maybe I should have put a fleet of smaller ships.

 

[thePirv]

It can carry a warship, or nearly a second armageddon points worth of Raid Hulls. That's jsut brutal!

 

[Dizzy Vree]

it can hold 1 armageddon exactly of skirmish, or an almost arageddon of crusier +

 

[Triggy]

Of course wouldn't it be more accurate to do 1 Victory vs. 64 Tethys as that's what the real value is supposed to be? It's only that breaking one armageddon point into patrol ships forces you to do a bad breakdown.

That is exactly the good thing about playing a game at 1 point Armageddon! It penalizes swarm fleets and gives enough advantage to large ships, to balance the natural advantage that swarms have in ACtA.

This is the proof - seems like a very balanced fight!

Now try that at 5 point Raid. 40 Tethys versus... err you can't even get a Victory. Tara'Lin plus White Star?

Bye bye ISA...

Which brings us back to twofers apparently being too powerful.

Now lets say we had an 8 point raid and did the Victory vs. 32 non-twofer patrol ships. Since the Victory is the best Armageddon what's the best patrol level ship that's not a twofer? Is the game balanced where swarms are concerned other than twofers?

You do know that even as a Raid PL game that if the Victory is killed, it only has to kill 14 Tethys to still win the game? (assuming no mission and no other ships are involved)

 

[Arch Lector Petrovski]

Neat. I hadn't considered victory points, unfortunately victory points often get forgotten in the fight to simply destroy all the opposing ships on the battle field; which to be honest is often the best way of going about it.