Updating the SRDs?

[Vile]

<Ahem ...> :roll:

This is aimed mainly at the current group of Mongoose staff who are directly involved in putting out Traveller:

Any thoughts, ideas, or plans to update the various SRDs with the new skills and rules bits and pieces that are in the books released since Mercenary and High Guard?

...just wondering out loud, doncherknow

Still wondering here, too.

 

[MJD]

Avenger had a lot more out under the old license, an is rebuilding the catalogue.

And yeah, JBE has indeed produced more D66 lists than we've produced 25,000-word adventures set in the Official Traveller Univers, with the approval of Marc Miller and his canon team.

That comparison isn't even apples and oranges.

It's apples and... hamsters.

 

[MJD]

Just in case anyone doesn't know: Avenger stuff IS official.
Approved by Marc Miller as canon and all that.

 

[dmccoy1693]

It's apples and... hamsters.

Quote of the day. :lol:

Agreed, Avenger is in a completely different league than we are and I am not trying to be you. If I did, I'd fail every time. I'm trying to be myself. Besides how long have you been around vs. how long have I been around? No competition, you win. Your writing muscles are far more developed than mine are. Your skills are far more honed than mine. Writing is your day job; I do this after I spend 9 hours a day in an office. I'm starting probably smaller than you did. Different business models for different companies in different situations.

But by the time JBE's been around as long as Avenger's been around, I don't expect to be producing 1 page products anymore either. I've proven myself over and over again during the past few months. I produce on schedule and I produce consistent material. I have been expanding into different areas based on interest of both myself and my fans. And I am proud of what I have accomplished.

I am not in competition with you; I am in competition with myself.

 

[MJD]

Fair enough. Inded, there are all kinds of opportunites for cooperation snce what we're doing does not compete and could complement.

But I have to say that I found your posts irritating. Perhaps it wasn't your intent to burst in shouting 'I'm better than EVERYONE!' but that's the way it reads.


Yes, chances are when you've been around 4.5 years you'll be bigger and better than we are now. After all, you're unlikely to have had your license pulled tice, active interference from another licensee, and so forth. You probably won't be splitting your time between your own product and writing for Mongoose, either.

So yeah, no doubt you'll outrock us. That's fine with me. I wish you well. Indeed, I'd maybe like to discuss some form of cooperation.

 

[MJD]

Speaking only for myself, I can't help finding your posts a bit pretentious.

You're saying you're a powerhouse, the future of Traveller, and demonstrating all this magnificence by pointing out that you've put out more products than Avenger (you haven't, we withdrew a pile of stuff when the old license went).

You seem to be claiming to be better than us because you've put out more 1-page stuff than we've put out full-length books.

I dunno, it just irritates me for some reason.

 

[MJD]

Oh, BTW, I have a day job too.

I write books for the mainstream publishing industry.

When I'm done there I write game stuff.

 

[dmccoy1693]

But I have to say that I found your posts irritating. Perhaps it wasn't your intent to burst in shouting 'I'm better than EVERYONE!' but that's the way it reads.

It wasn't my intention. If I did come across that way, I apologize. At the end of the day, I'm just a guy doing this for fun who's proud of what he has accomplished. You're the professional; I'm just the amateur. And maybe someday I'll be a professional. But for today, I'm thrilled that you're familiar enough with my product lines to name one of them. Without trying to sound fanboy-ish (but I know I am doing it anyways), I look up to you. While I might not want to be you, that doesn't mean I don't look up to what you have accomplished and hope to attain the same for myself. Truth be told, I do hope to do so.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Oh, BTW, I have a day job too.

I write books for the mainstream publishing industry.

When I'm done there I write game stuff.

My bad. I was under the impression that you considered both your day job. Again my apologise.

 

[MJD]

Heh, being me isn't something I'd wish on anyone.

Okay, so no intentions to offend... I still think it might be an idea to tone down the enthusiasm a bit-- it comes over a bit strong.

But you're right about one thing - you've actually delivered product ad that's worthy of respect. Loads of people talk about it but don't do it.

 

[dmccoy1693]

Heh, being me isn't something I'd wish on anyone.

Okay, so no intentions to offend... I still think it might be an idea to tone down the enthusiasm a bit-- it comes over a bit strong.

But you're right about one thing - you've actually delivered product ad that's worthy of respect. Loads of people talk about it but don't do it.

*blushes* Thank you. You just made my day.

 

[MJD]

Seriously, delivering is a big deal. Loads of people talk big but fail to actually do anything. Ideas are easy; sitting at the keyboard until you have a fiished product is much more difficult.

 

[Rex]

Seriously, delivering is a big deal. Loads of people talk big but fail to actually do anything. Ideas are easy; sitting at the keyboard until you have a fiished product is much more difficult.

Ain't that the truth.

~Rex

 

[EDG]

Esp since QLI never released a free license to have a T20 logo on their products.

I thought they did, didn't they? Of course I can't find a darn thing on the QLI site...

I'm providing something different that there may or may not be enough of a market for Mongoose to bother with. I provide material for the homebrewer that wants something different than what has been done in the past.

Which is great, and I commend you for it .

But JBE is a growing powerhouse of a 3rd party company. At the time of writing this, we have 21 products for sale. Thats more than all other Traveller OGL publisher combined. That's more than Avenger. That is more than Mongoose without Avenger.

It's also pretty meaningless. As they say, "it's quality, not quantity". Having 21 products out just demonstrates that you're prolific, not that you're good (or even that those products sell in large quantities), and calling yourself as "powerhouse" seems kinda cocky to me.

Don't get me wrong, it's good that you can churn out so much stuff, and it's a different business model to what other third parties are doing, but don't get carried away with the self-image . You can still be successful while being modest about it, and you're less likely to grate on people like that (EDIT: and I see that Martin's already demonstrated that he was irritated in exactly that way, so there you go) .

 

[dmccoy1693]

I thought they did, didn't they? Of course I can't find a darn thing on the QLI site...

I might be wrong on this, but I remember MJD discussing a paid T20 license around the time that QLI wasn't paying him.

 

[MJD]

This industry is even worse than others for fanboyism. Some want to write, some want to be publishers which is worse.

However, there is a huge yawning gap between big talk, big plans and being a big shot... and actually delivering anything.

Not to point fingers or name Hunter Gordons, but QLI suffered from this. Hunter is good at talking big and has some good ideas, but he can't deliver. The proof? Well, while I was with QLI there were prodcts and after I left there has been exactly one that was produced in-house.

One. In 5 years.

Anyone can talk big about their plans. Making it happen requires work and professionalism... or you can employ someone to do that and then not pay them. But that's not an ideal business model.

 

[MJD]

QLI offered me the chance to take out a sublicense through them and payfor the privilige, after I left because they weren't paying me.

I declined the offer.

 

[Gruffty the Hiver]

Yes, let's all go back to being Awfully British About This. :wink:

What, eh? Pip pip, old chap! :lol: :lol:

 

[Rex]

Yes, let's all go back to being Awfully British About This. :wink:

What, eh? Pip pip, old chap! :lol: :lol:

Hmmm.....Not sure I can pull off British ...Got Welsh, Irish and Scott in me, does that count?

~Rex

 

[dreamingbadger]

Yes, let's all go back to being Awfully British About This. :wink:

What, eh? Pip pip, old chap! :lol: :lol:

Hmmm.....Not sure I can pull off British ...Got Welsh, Irish and Scott in me, does that count?

~Rex

why you are practically 3/4's british with that mix old boy <ducks>