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Update on Battlefield Evo - The Full Scoop
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Thanks for the update Matt.
Wasn't that interested in the figures then and I'm certainly not interested in them now. There's absolutely no value added in these prepaints. Paying $3-4 for a sub-standard figure which I will have to straighten out, probably rebase, and absolutely paint if I even associate myself with it is a bit much when I can pay that much for a pewter figure of better quality.
Getting the supplier to drop the costs and pass them on to the end customer might be an incentive to move this initial stock. Perhaps instead of a rebate or price reduction for the end customer, throw in some extra models to sweeten the pot (2 for 1 Introductory Offer).
Also, I'd renegotiate with your supplier and stress some serious quality controls and if they cannot met those they should be looking at refunding you alot of money. Furthermore, I'd really consider getting them to quote omitting the finishing steps and shipping as a much lower cost. Then selling them as unfinished kits. Tell them their painting process is not the worth the price you are paying for. Tell them you'd do better if the weren't painted at all. The threat that they may loose income may give you leverage in having them get their quality control act together.
I might be interested in these figures unpainted if I can get them for less than $1 a figure and $10 a tank. I'll admit I've bought Star Wars, HeroClix and HorrorClix figures, which I have repainted. But I generally pay $0.25-75 each for them, and sometimes (but no more than) $1.
These plastic figures may have some potential as cannon fodder 'filler' troops to mix in with my pewter stuff, but only if there was a significant cost advantage.
Wasn't that interested in the figures then and I'm certainly not interested in them now. There's absolutely no value added in these prepaints. Paying $3-4 for a sub-standard figure which I will have to straighten out, probably rebase, and absolutely paint if I even associate myself with it is a bit much when I can pay that much for a pewter figure of better quality.
Getting the supplier to drop the costs and pass them on to the end customer might be an incentive to move this initial stock. Perhaps instead of a rebate or price reduction for the end customer, throw in some extra models to sweeten the pot (2 for 1 Introductory Offer).
Also, I'd renegotiate with your supplier and stress some serious quality controls and if they cannot met those they should be looking at refunding you alot of money. Furthermore, I'd really consider getting them to quote omitting the finishing steps and shipping as a much lower cost. Then selling them as unfinished kits. Tell them their painting process is not the worth the price you are paying for. Tell them you'd do better if the weren't painted at all. The threat that they may loose income may give you leverage in having them get their quality control act together.
I might be interested in these figures unpainted if I can get them for less than $1 a figure and $10 a tank. I'll admit I've bought Star Wars, HeroClix and HorrorClix figures, which I have repainted. But I generally pay $0.25-75 each for them, and sometimes (but no more than) $1.
These plastic figures may have some potential as cannon fodder 'filler' troops to mix in with my pewter stuff, but only if there was a significant cost advantage.
Well everyone, what Matt said should be born out when the products hit the shelves. I do know that digital photos do not necessarily depict something as good as when it's in the palm of your hand. These will be as Matt said packed into viewable boxes, so the market (as it always is) will be the acid test. Good luck to Mongoose on the release of the new products.
Dear Matt,
It did not come to my mind initially. When I heard about your plan for WWII Evo, one company name came to my mind. That is Corgi. That company already has a whole range of 1:50 tank, vehicles and infantry and possibly has no problem in making smaller scales or near future weapons. For sure, you don't have to worry about any quality issue. Have you ever thought about approaching them before? It will be a win-win situation for both companies.
It did not come to my mind initially. When I heard about your plan for WWII Evo, one company name came to my mind. That is Corgi. That company already has a whole range of 1:50 tank, vehicles and infantry and possibly has no problem in making smaller scales or near future weapons. For sure, you don't have to worry about any quality issue. Have you ever thought about approaching them before? It will be a win-win situation for both companies.
The candor is appreciated, but it sounds to me like you're saying "the first wave of production is substandard, they're not too bad though, so just buy them and we promise you that the second wave will be better".
First, you've already failed to fulfill a promise about the first wave. Second, it's unreasonable to ask paying customers to buy the substandard first wave unless you offer a discount.
I am certain that the rules will be excellent as the SST rules are, but I for one will make no purchase of the "first wave" unless they are offered at a discount.
First, you've already failed to fulfill a promise about the first wave. Second, it's unreasonable to ask paying customers to buy the substandard first wave unless you offer a discount.
I am certain that the rules will be excellent as the SST rules are, but I for one will make no purchase of the "first wave" unless they are offered at a discount.
docrailgun
Mongoose
I think that this has been handled very well. Of course everyone is disappointed with what has occured, but at least we know know what's going on.
I won't be cancelling my orders... part of what interested me about this game was that the figures were prepainted, and the price-point. Though I have a number of 40K figures, I don't have time to paint them to a decent level... even if the pictures we've seen recently do reflect the paint quality, they're still painted.
I'm in!
Let me suggest this, though: send your demo team members special highest-quality painted figures for demoing rather than reembursing them for the first wave that won't look good.
I won't be cancelling my orders... part of what interested me about this game was that the figures were prepainted, and the price-point. Though I have a number of 40K figures, I don't have time to paint them to a decent level... even if the pictures we've seen recently do reflect the paint quality, they're still painted.
I'm in!
Let me suggest this, though: send your demo team members special highest-quality painted figures for demoing rather than reembursing them for the first wave that won't look good.
shakespear
Mongoose
I was very excited about this game as I have been looking for a modern game for a while.
As someone who spends thousands of dollars a year on paniters, I was VERY excited to hear it was pre-painted.
I have been running my mouth off localy about this game for months.
After AT-43 came out I was even more excited as people here said that the BE figs would look even better.
Now this
I will pass on the figs until the quality comes back up
I am VERY worried about the SST pre-paints. If they are just as bad, can mongoose survive?
As someone who spends thousands of dollars a year on paniters, I was VERY excited to hear it was pre-painted.
I have been running my mouth off localy about this game for months.
After AT-43 came out I was even more excited as people here said that the BE figs would look even better.
Now this
I will pass on the figs until the quality comes back up
I am VERY worried about the SST pre-paints. If they are just as bad, can mongoose survive?
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
:shock:
Mongoose what have you done?
Those models are honestly shocking...
Durring all those months we were being told that everything the competitions coming out with was rubbish by comparison, couldn't you have checked what the factories producing just once?
This is exactly the same as what happened with outsourcing the of casting to America for SST, you're left having to take what the factories saying at face value, and when it finally turns out they were lying its too late to change anything because you have to ship the product.
After Mighty Empires, GOMC1, pulling of support for SST before its time and this I'm wonder how many retailers are going to support future releases...
I don't suppose theres any chance you might consider you're prepainted stance for all up coming games?
And to make matters worse all discussions of previous quality control cockups have been deleted from the forums... :roll:
Mongoose what have you done?
Those models are honestly shocking...
Durring all those months we were being told that everything the competitions coming out with was rubbish by comparison, couldn't you have checked what the factories producing just once?
This is exactly the same as what happened with outsourcing the of casting to America for SST, you're left having to take what the factories saying at face value, and when it finally turns out they were lying its too late to change anything because you have to ship the product.
After Mighty Empires, GOMC1, pulling of support for SST before its time and this I'm wonder how many retailers are going to support future releases...
I don't suppose theres any chance you might consider you're prepainted stance for all up coming games?
And to make matters worse all discussions of previous quality control cockups have been deleted from the forums... :roll:
docrailgun
Mongoose
At least they've bothered to tell us something. Some game companies refuse to tell their customers anything.
MaxSteiner said:
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
docrailgun said:
But they couldn't possibly NOT tell us could they? The models have already shipped!
As it stands what we were told was that the models were better than 80% of us could do all the way right up until today...
Some of the figures don't even appear to have noses in the pictures for gods sake.
If Rackham was able to (according to exchanges on this forum at least) see the Evo miniatures, send theirs back for a repaint, and show actual models before the release why wasn't mongoose?
Im not implying theres any kind of malicious intent, but I really had hoped mongoose had everything on the level this time round.
Larac
Mongoose
Matt,
I hate to ask the question but it seems to matter.
Was the final thought done with the knowledge that Mongoose was out the money on the production run?
I ask because 24hrs ago you said these should not be sold, with the change now to "I like'um", makes me think there is a lot more than we have been told.
If its a , we have to sell these to have the money to make the next ones, and this time better, then tell us that.
If it is these are truly better than most, but not what we were led to belive, then I really think Mongoose has to do some type of value add, to show the customer base things will get better.
I know why you deleted the threads, but it will hurt you more by doing so, than leaving them, it shows that things are being hid on purpose, that is the signs of a much larger issue, locking the thread would have been a better solution.
I truly hope the game goes well, I think Mongoose has a set back that is quite huge right now, it is fixable, but it will take effort not just a hope the problem goes away.
Mongoose needs to find a way to let us belive in the EVO line again, I wish I had the answer, I think it will have to in some way come down to a discount of some sort.
If not on Wave 1, then connected to it in some way.
Again Good Luck, I am keeping my orders in, though lowering the number I was buying, and I hope the game does well.
But this was the Flagship of Mongoose's new Fleet, and it has taken on water, it will take work to keep it afloat.
I think it can be done, but it will take more than we have seen so far.
Lee
I hate to ask the question but it seems to matter.
Was the final thought done with the knowledge that Mongoose was out the money on the production run?
I ask because 24hrs ago you said these should not be sold, with the change now to "I like'um", makes me think there is a lot more than we have been told.
If its a , we have to sell these to have the money to make the next ones, and this time better, then tell us that.
If it is these are truly better than most, but not what we were led to belive, then I really think Mongoose has to do some type of value add, to show the customer base things will get better.
I know why you deleted the threads, but it will hurt you more by doing so, than leaving them, it shows that things are being hid on purpose, that is the signs of a much larger issue, locking the thread would have been a better solution.
I truly hope the game goes well, I think Mongoose has a set back that is quite huge right now, it is fixable, but it will take effort not just a hope the problem goes away.
Mongoose needs to find a way to let us belive in the EVO line again, I wish I had the answer, I think it will have to in some way come down to a discount of some sort.
If not on Wave 1, then connected to it in some way.
Again Good Luck, I am keeping my orders in, though lowering the number I was buying, and I hope the game does well.
But this was the Flagship of Mongoose's new Fleet, and it has taken on water, it will take work to keep it afloat.
I think it can be done, but it will take more than we have seen so far.
Lee
Good luck with all this Matt, I really mean that, but in the mean time this is all sounding eerily familiar...
One of the reasons for the entire "revamping" of the SST line to pre-paints was that you yourself (much to your credit I might add) admitted that amongst other issues, some sub-par sculpts/castings had been released and that you wanted to fix all that on the next go- round. Now we're being told that these certainly aren't the quality of the proofs (which is a considerable upgrade from your earlier statement of "I certainly don't intend for these to be released"), but we'll get it right on the next go-round. I sincerely hope (but seriously doubt) that these picks were the result of bad photography, but, with all due repsect, we've heard that before too. Maybe get a new camera?
That all being said, I for one truly appreciate your willingness to try and keep us involved. Thank you.
One of the reasons for the entire "revamping" of the SST line to pre-paints was that you yourself (much to your credit I might add) admitted that amongst other issues, some sub-par sculpts/castings had been released and that you wanted to fix all that on the next go- round. Now we're being told that these certainly aren't the quality of the proofs (which is a considerable upgrade from your earlier statement of "I certainly don't intend for these to be released"), but we'll get it right on the next go-round. I sincerely hope (but seriously doubt) that these picks were the result of bad photography, but, with all due repsect, we've heard that before too. Maybe get a new camera?
That all being said, I for one truly appreciate your willingness to try and keep us involved. Thank you.
There is nothing we can do until it is in our hands, so stop beating a dead horse. This obviously won't happen to the SST models, seeing as how those are planned for an April release, i'm sure Mongoose will have learned what to look out for. If it does, there won't be any excuse. That will be a make or break deal. And if you're that pissed about the cruddy-ish models, then wait for the wave 2...and um, when is the wave 2 release anyway?
OK, I promise not to say any more on the matter but...
Asgelb- This isn't MGP's first rodeo. It's also not the first time they've had this EXACT SAME ISSUE. They should have figured out what to look out for by now. There is already no excuse...
OK. I'm done (with the horse beating that is). Seriously...
Asgelb- This isn't MGP's first rodeo. It's also not the first time they've had this EXACT SAME ISSUE. They should have figured out what to look out for by now. There is already no excuse...
OK. I'm done (with the horse beating that is). Seriously...
As I said, I have time.
I don't get upset now, I'm sure there will be action to solve these problems.
I am sure because there is no other way.
You live you learn.
And sometimes you need to live a bit longer to learn certain things.
I will take time to paint my Bugs and MI and when I'm done with that I'll take a look at what has happened to BFE.
Still with SST I know what I get.
(and yes you really should have done SST first, in my experience there is also much more interest in SST rather than BFE - and, most important of all, a small but established group of players)
If Matt says models aren't as bad as they appear he shall prove.
I'm waiting for the new pics...
I don't get upset now, I'm sure there will be action to solve these problems.
I am sure because there is no other way.
You live you learn.
And sometimes you need to live a bit longer to learn certain things.
I will take time to paint my Bugs and MI and when I'm done with that I'll take a look at what has happened to BFE.
Still with SST I know what I get.
(and yes you really should have done SST first, in my experience there is also much more interest in SST rather than BFE - and, most important of all, a small but established group of players)
If Matt says models aren't as bad as they appear he shall prove.
I'm waiting for the new pics...
