Yea but there’s another factor which has been stated before and that’s the reason for the empire. If the imperium was a standard empire than this would work great but the imperium isn’t a standard empire, the purpose of the imperium is not to tax and take tribute from the member worlds if that was the case your point would be valid and the setting would be vastly different. No the imperium see member worlds as Markets and an oppressed world is not a good market but a world that is largely independent but sends taxes and troops to help collectedly protect the imperium is a good market. This is another reason for allowing largely self rule.
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I think you’re right and I wish the Lorenversers would quit trying to turn Mongoose T2 into the Lorenverse 2.It could be misremembering, but it felt like the big shift towards more government, more actual feudalism, etc came with the Lorenverse (aka GURPS Traveller). But that might have just been because the main Traveller line was busy wrecking the place.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Usually, but not always. And as more of the surrounding cultures traded with Rome and improved their own tech base they became a threat.
The governor is enforcing Roman law and Roman rule. Look what they did in Gaul and Britain. The Romans allowed pagans to maintain some of their own culture, but Roman law, Roman trade practices, and Roman religion were enforced. Of these the most relaxed were the religious practices, provided the locals recognised the superiority of the Roman gods (which is a bit rich since all they did was change the name of the greek gods) they could keep their own practices, with one or two notable exceptions.
Not even close, they fought against many enemies who were their technological and military peers.
Not so incredibly low as you suggest:
Demography of the Roman Empire - Wikipedia
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Where are the Lorenversers? Since SJG lost the rights to Traveller the number of Lorenverse diehards has dropped dramatically.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
There are aspects from the GURPS edition that I quite like.
But, since the rules of the game have changed, I concentrate on that.
But, since the rules of the game have changed, I concentrate on that.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
They are in their volcano lair plotting the overthrow of the Mongeese.
actionman
Emperor Mongoose
And sitting in Brubek's eating Astroburgers and watching Anton Wilson Peale holiday specials because they already know where they are.
Romes two greatest Technological Achievements where their roads and the use of soldiers instead of warriors
actually that varied vastly depending on the time frame and the location. You use Great Britain as a example but ignore Aridians Wall.
not really only a few ever adapted their strongest technology and that was using soldiers instead of Warriors. It can truly be said that the way we train and organize our modern military started with the Roman Legions
now compare that number to the population of 1600+ Europe
Demographics of the British Empire - Wikipedia
Different times and vastly different circumstances
A note here you make it sound like the Romans stole or copied the Greek Gods which is a fallacy since Rome herself started as another Greek Citystate “the term Greek citystate is used to describe all the single city governments Of southern Europe especially those based around the Mediterranean.
Also when you talking Rome you have to consider the time frame the republic was far less imperial than the Empire but even during the Empire the concept of direct control was a fallacy. Yes Rome emplaced their “Governors “ but in most cases there was little if any oversight by the actual government of the Empire, the only real job of the Governor was to make sure the shipments of tributes and slaves were sent back to Rome. In fact more than one Governor was no more than a Warlord and in several instances they actually became Warlords. But here again the primary issue with direct control was communication delays, you just can’t directly control a place with a communication delay over a few days both response time and oversight are to long/limited by such a delay
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Depends on whether you consider Trojans Hellenic.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Other cultures built roads and had paid soldiers.
In what way am I ignoring Hadrian's Wall? I live twenty minutes drive from it, what would you like to know?
Cultures that pre-dated the Romans had paid soldiers.
Still not what I would call very small population.now compare that number to the population of 1600+ Europe
Demographics of the British Empire - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Different times and vastly different circumstances
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
There are several founding myths for Rome, the well known Romulus and Remus, the settlement of Troy survivors. neither are true. Rome was not a greek city state, nor was it ever cuity state like and the original gods of ancient Rome were different to the greek gods. As more greek influence was introduced into Roman culture the Romans greekified their gods.
I'd be interested to learn where you learned your take on this from, as it is an interesting new take I have not come across before.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
The governors had a great deal of local autonomy, but they governed using Roman law and brought Roman traditions.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
They're sort of the Bronze Age equivalent of Cossacks, if you read between the lines, assuming mythology is semi accurate.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
Some details from Co pilot.
The Greek influence on ancient Rome began as early as the 8th century BC when Greek settlers established colonies in Southern Italy and Sicily, an area known as Magna Graecia. This early contact allowed for the exchange of cultural, architectural, and intellectual ideas between the Greeks and the Romans.
The influence grew significantly during the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, especially after Rome's conquest of Greek territories in the Hellenistic period. Greek culture permeated Roman society, affecting areas such as art, literature, philosophy, and daily life. For instance, Romans adopted Greek styles in architecture, sculpture, and even in their social customs, like reclining during meals
Pre-Republic Rome: The Monarchy (753 BC - 509 BC)
- Early Settlements: The area that would become Rome was initially inhabited by various Italic tribes, including the Latins and the Etruscans. The earliest settlements were small villages on the Palatine Hill and surrounding areas.
- Formation of the City: Over time, these villages coalesced into a larger community. The traditional date of Rome's founding, 753 BC, is based on later historical records, but the actual process of urbanization was gradual and not the result of a single event or individual.
- Early Kings: Rome was ruled by a succession of kings, but the exact details of their reigns are often unclear due to the lack of contemporary written records. The first few kings, such as Romulus and Numa Pompilius, are semi-legendary figures, and their stories are likely a blend of historical events and myth.
The Greek influence on ancient Rome began as early as the 8th century BC when Greek settlers established colonies in Southern Italy and Sicily, an area known as Magna Graecia. This early contact allowed for the exchange of cultural, architectural, and intellectual ideas between the Greeks and the Romans.
The influence grew significantly during the 2nd and 1st centuries BC, especially after Rome's conquest of Greek territories in the Hellenistic period. Greek culture permeated Roman society, affecting areas such as art, literature, philosophy, and daily life. For instance, Romans adopted Greek styles in architecture, sculpture, and even in their social customs, like reclining during meals
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Tolkien didn't help.
According to historians Rom was started by Greek refugees, in fact probably the most creditable account of the founding of Rom has it started by Troy refugees escaping the Trojan war. The funny part is that tho Rome created the first modern western Army they were never a major naval power even though they originated as Greeks who were known for their naval strength.
AndrewW
Emperor Mongoose
They learned some when they took on Carthage.
