Travellers Needed! High Guard Updates

[Terry Mixon]

I mean just put it in singularity on release,,, problem solved

That would work, too. Good idea. Maybe @MongooseChris can swing that. It is most relevant there, do those that adopt it.

 

[Endie]

This thread is to suggest ideas. That isn’t explicitly what was originally asked for, but it is what it has grown to. That’s what I did. If they don’t use my idea, that’s fine and I’ll make up my own rule. It doesn’t make giving the suggestion a waste of time. We should all suggest what we want because they won’t know if we don’t. There is no need to be dismissive of the suggestions because they were made (not you).

Read it again: it's not dismissive (the original version was scathing: what I eventually posted was carefully couched in neutral and factual language). People carefully engaging with you and saying "look at it like this and it might appear obvious..."

The fact that yes, if you can't argue with what it contains then it will lead to the idea being dismissed is unavoidable. But it wasn't dismissive in the way that you, for instance, posting that MarcusIII's entirely sensible and mainstream opinion was dismissed by you as him "marching to the beat of his own drum."

As regards the fact that the thread repeatedly devolves into theorycrafting and amateur game design propositions: yes, I agree, and you can see the effects in the Mongoose employee posting that he hasn't bothered to read it all: it has ceased to be useful in those terms.

 

[Terry Mixon]

Read it again: it's not dismissive (the original version was scathing: what I eventually posted was carefully couched in neutral and factual language). People carefully engaging with you and saying "look at it like this and it might appear obvious..."

The fact that yes, if you can't argue with what it contains then it will lead to the idea being dismissed is unavoidable. But it wasn't dismissive in the way that you, for instance, posting that MarcusIII's entirely sensible and mainstream opinion was dismissed by you as him "marching to the beat of his own drum."

As regards the fact that the thread repeatedly devolves into theorycrafting and amateur game design propositions: yes, I agree, and you can see the effects in the Mongoose employee posting that he hasn't bothered to read it all: it has ceased to be useful in those terms.

I said (not you) to make sure you knew I wasn’t referring to you. As to them not reading it, I believe that they are, or will eventually do so. They just aren’t responding to the suggestions. They will undoubtedly go through and select what they want to use and discard the rest. That’s their prerogative and I’m fine with that.

As for me dismissing his comment that the rule obviously wasn’t for him, I merely pointed out that it didn’t need to be. There are plenty of rules that I ignore, yet when someone suggests a rule that doesn’t apply to me, I don’t feel the need to declare I would never use it. That’s a bit self-centered. I don’t see my response as out of line. Others may see it differently. That’s their call.

 

[Endie]

I said (not you) to make sure you knew I wasn’t referring to you. As to them not reading it, I believe that they are, or will eventually do so. They just aren’t responding to the suggestions. They will undoubtedly go through and select what they want to use and discard the rest. That’s their prerogative and I’m fine with that.

As for me dismissing his comment that the rule obviously wasn’t for him, I merely pointed out that it didn’t need to be. There are plenty of rules that I ignore, yet when someone suggests a rule that doesn’t apply to me, I don’t feel the need to declare I would never use it. That’s a bit self-centered. I don’t see my response as out of line. Others may see it differently. That’s their call.

If Mongoose were to say that they were going to re-introduce Virus, or one of the other setting wreckers, then I would be vocal in voicing my disapproval. Hop Drives (as Singularity explicitly makes very clear in two different notes to the GM, would totally rewrite the setting. That's exactly where people should let Mongoose know the risks that they would take. Fortunately, and unsurprisingly, Matt was quick to reassure us that nope, hop drives won't be something they use more widely.

Personally, I remain nervous that the Zhodani Expeditions book might use the other hilariously awful setting wrecker from that dark era of Traveller writing: the Empress Wave. It's way too late for me saying so to have any influence on a book that's already printed, and this is the first time I've mentioned it. But it if does show up, I'll chime in to express my disappointment and my hope that, in the words of Hume, it falls "dead-born from the press, without reaching such distinction, as even to excite a murmur among the zealots."

Also apologies: I missed the "not you" element. I admit that did rather take away the point of much of my post...

 

[Terry Mixon]

If Mongoose were to say that they were going to re-introduce Virus, or one of the other setting wreckers, then I would be vocal in voicing my disapproval. Hop Drives (as Singularity explicitly makes very clear in two different notes to the GM, would totally rewrite the setting. That's exactly where people should let Mongoose know the risks that they would take. Fortunately, and unsurprisingly, Matt was quick to reassure us that nope, hop drives won't be something they use more widely.

Personally, I remain nervous that the Zhodani Expeditions book might use the other hilariously awful setting wrecker from that dark era of Traveller writing: the Empress Wave. It's way too late for me saying so to have any influence on a book that's already printed, and this is the first time I've mentioned it. But it if does show up, I'll chime in to express my disappointment and my hope that, in the words of Hume, it falls "dead-born from the press, without reaching such distinction, as even to excite a murmur among the zealots."

Also apologies: I missed the "not you" element. I admit that did rather take away the point of much of my post...

My personal bet is they do have the Empress Wave, but it is watered down. Not setting destroying but perhaps setting inconveniencing.