Vile
Banded Mongoose
Oh, dear, what have I started? Guys, please take the discussion about fan-created OTU-based material over to the Stellar Reaches thread. Let's keep this space for questions about the Traveller Developer's Pack ... 
Traveller Developer's Pack
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M. Lydius Of Phoga
Mongoose
I think we are discussing the pack and how to apply it. Specifically, what not to do, which is important before people start getting comitted to ideas or go on erroneous assumptions.
I am very interested in checking out people's non-OTU efforts and products. It will be cool.
As far as the pack goes I have a question:
Slavery. If I have one alien race enslaving others, for example, what is the line? It would be an element to the backstory, and would have to have impact as a concept, but would it just be a case of controlling the level of realism to not make it too brutal?
If a part of a book was "iffy" content wise like that, would the Mongoose be available to look at it objectively past a writer's normal self-editing stage, to see if it's ok?
Also, are there higher resolution versions of the Traveller logo files?
I am very interested in checking out people's non-OTU efforts and products. It will be cool.
As far as the pack goes I have a question:
Slavery. If I have one alien race enslaving others, for example, what is the line? It would be an element to the backstory, and would have to have impact as a concept, but would it just be a case of controlling the level of realism to not make it too brutal?
If a part of a book was "iffy" content wise like that, would the Mongoose be available to look at it objectively past a writer's normal self-editing stage, to see if it's ok?
Also, are there higher resolution versions of the Traveller logo files?
M. Lydius Of Phoga said:
It would be my expectation that this would be ok so long as slavery is not presented in a positive light. You could probably say thing like "slaves are treated brutally and tortured for punishment", but you shouldn't actually describe scenes or methods of torture or maltreatment in graphic detail.
Simon Hibbs
Vile
Banded Mongoose
I would apply that advice to every aspect of a setting. Just present the facts, and let the players and referees decide who the good guys and the bad guys are. Settings never end well if the author tries to impose a set of moral values on them.simonh said:
As for graphic detail, the TLL is pretty clear on that.
Vile
Banded Mongoose
To try out the SRD, I attempted to build a ship with the information as given, and there seem to be some things missing. Is this intentional, or have these been left out in error:
1) Crew Requirements - some are listed under Space Combat, but not all.
2) Powerplant Fuel Tonnage.
3) Computer Requirements for Jump - Jump Control Specialisation (bis) is available, but there is nothing to indicate the meaning of the computer's rating. What rating is needed for a given jump range?
4) Vehicles and Drones - tonnage and cost are mentioned, but not listed.
5) Armaments - there is no indication that Particle Beams cannot be mounted three-to-a-turret.
I notice that there are a few things like this throughout the document, whee something is referred to but then not detailed. For example, world government types are not listed, although the roll to generate them is given, and the Gov UWP actually affects the determination of "rivals, factions, connections and colonies". the Law Level, Travel Code, and possibly other things.
To wit, could these things please be added to the SRD?
1) Crew Requirements - some are listed under Space Combat, but not all.
2) Powerplant Fuel Tonnage.
3) Computer Requirements for Jump - Jump Control Specialisation (bis) is available, but there is nothing to indicate the meaning of the computer's rating. What rating is needed for a given jump range?
4) Vehicles and Drones - tonnage and cost are mentioned, but not listed.
5) Armaments - there is no indication that Particle Beams cannot be mounted three-to-a-turret.
I notice that there are a few things like this throughout the document, whee something is referred to but then not detailed. For example, world government types are not listed, although the roll to generate them is given, and the Gov UWP actually affects the determination of "rivals, factions, connections and colonies". the Law Level, Travel Code, and possibly other things.
To wit, could these things please be added to the SRD?
When will the Traveller System Reference Document become compliant with the Open Gaming License?
I have noticed, as have others, that the following OGL violations exist in the document;
1. There is no declaration of Open Game Content.
(The System Reference Document files from Wizards of the Coast are start with this sentence:
Adding this, or a very similar statement, to the Traveller System Reference Document would bring it into OGL compliance.)
2. There is no declaration of Product Identity.
(The System Reference Document legal file from Wizards of the Coast contain the following:
Adding something like this, with appropriate Product Identity changes, to the Traveller System Reference Document just before the OGL would bring it into OGL compliance.)
3. The Traveller System Reference Document does not reference itself in its own Section 15 of the OGL.
Adding the following to the OGL Section 15 would help bring it into compliance:
Hope This Helps,
Flynn
I have noticed, as have others, that the following OGL violations exist in the document;
1. There is no declaration of Open Game Content.
(The System Reference Document files from Wizards of the Coast are start with this sentence:
Adding this, or a very similar statement, to the Traveller System Reference Document would bring it into OGL compliance.)
2. There is no declaration of Product Identity.
(The System Reference Document legal file from Wizards of the Coast contain the following:
Adding something like this, with appropriate Product Identity changes, to the Traveller System Reference Document just before the OGL would bring it into OGL compliance.)
3. The Traveller System Reference Document does not reference itself in its own Section 15 of the OGL.
Adding the following to the OGL Section 15 would help bring it into compliance:
Hope This Helps,
Flynn
Actually, unless there is a declaration of OGC or PI the entire document is assumed to be entirely OGC. Since I think that's the case in the SRD there's no problem.
There is a actual serious problem though in the Section 15 declaration. Not only does it not include the Traveller SRD in Section 15, it also includes the d20 SRD and the Modern SRD. However, the Traveller Main Rulebook claims to include no Open Game Content.
Either the S.15 material is incorrect and those should not have been included (which I suspect is the case) or the main rulebook is in part OGC and in violation of the license.
There is a actual serious problem though in the Section 15 declaration. Not only does it not include the Traveller SRD in Section 15, it also includes the d20 SRD and the Modern SRD. However, the Traveller Main Rulebook claims to include no Open Game Content.
Either the S.15 material is incorrect and those should not have been included (which I suspect is the case) or the main rulebook is in part OGC and in violation of the license.
I notice that the rules for alternate FTL Drives and powerplants that are in the corebook aren't included in the SRD - neither are the variant worldgen rules (Space Opera and Hard Science).
Wouldn't it be better to let people use those so they can produce a larger variety of backgrounds using the OGL? Instead it seems they're stuck with the jump drive and standard technologies in the SRD. I guess they could just make their own technologies for their settings, but it seems like unnecessarily reinventing the wheel a bit...
Just curious to know the logic behind limiting that.
Wouldn't it be better to let people use those so they can produce a larger variety of backgrounds using the OGL? Instead it seems they're stuck with the jump drive and standard technologies in the SRD. I guess they could just make their own technologies for their settings, but it seems like unnecessarily reinventing the wheel a bit...
Just curious to know the logic behind limiting that.
Golan2072
Cosmic Mongoose
At worst we could re-invent our own, even on a similar concept to the one in the core book, but using our flavor text and our own twists to it.EDG said:
The same goes for weapons (the SRD doesn't have their stats). In new Traveller-based games we could use our own stats and even twist the mechanics a bit (and maybe deal with penetration).
EDG said:
We are happy to consider those for inclusion in the SRD.
Flynn said:
Right now! New version to download
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Poi said:
My bad - right file up now.
Gruffty the Hiver
Banded Mongoose
Except you can't get to it, because the links all loop round to each other :? :shock:
Gruffty the Hiver
Banded Mongoose
Tragic Roundabout:
Starting at the link at the top of the page (the one under the link that says "Wraith Recon Announced for 4e") takes you to this page:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/news/news_item.php?pkid_news=234
The link there takes you to:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=51
where the only link to the Developer's Pack is:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/news/news_item.php?pkid_news=234
which is where we started :? :shock: :? :shock: :?
Starting at the link at the top of the page (the one under the link that says "Wraith Recon Announced for 4e") takes you to this page:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/news/news_item.php?pkid_news=234
The link there takes you to:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=51
where the only link to the Developer's Pack is:
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/news/news_item.php?pkid_news=234
which is where we started :? :shock: :? :shock: :?
