Tigress: work in progress
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AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
I don't think Meson Guns actually need an open muzzle. I would go for more dominating sphere and smaller superstructure (ugly...).
AnotherDilbert said:
that's also the launch bay area for its fighters. and such. the bays would ring the entry behind the heavy armor of the outer sphere, and there would be a heavy armored bulkhead at the back of that channel so any incoming fire doesn't gut the ship. weapons bays fire through the slits in the outer shell and out the sides for missiles.
the small dome shapes would also serve as bay mounts and missile launchers...missiles exiting down the central shaft of each dome and then vectoring toward the target...so all the launchers and the rather volatile ammo would be under armor except for the narrow shafts down the center of the domes.
.or at least that's how I'd arrange it.
I'll post the purely spherical version after i get back from night out with GF...she's pretty patient with my doodling around except for date nights
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
You're right, a sphere would look better, but that is not the classical Tigress, unfortunately.fusor said:
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
I don't remember what it should look like.
If it is something like this:
http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?offset=34&view_mode=2&order=67108864&q=by:biomass
It does not look too bad?
If it is something like this:
http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?offset=34&view_mode=2&order=67108864&q=by:biomass
It does not look too bad?
No it does not.....that's a great job. Far better than my last try..guess I have to go try and wrap my head around that one againAnotherDilbert said:I don't remember what it should look like.
If it is something like this:
http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/?offset=34&view_mode=2&order=67108864&q=by:biomass
It does not look too bad?
mancerbear
Mongoose
The Tigress is an ugly ugly ship. I hate her so much... looks like a giant PacMan.
Having said that, your version wbnc is one of the better ones I have seen. I think the bay and missile mounts are a bit big compared to previous versions.
As to the open muzzle; previous versions of the Tigress describe focussing equipment around the front of the meson mount, which is what I can easily see could look like a muzzle. Also, descriptions indicate a shield over the meson mount that opens when she is ready to fire, and closes to protect the weapon when not in use.
I like what you have done to what is otherwise a pretty ugly design.
Having said that, your version wbnc is one of the better ones I have seen. I think the bay and missile mounts are a bit big compared to previous versions.
As to the open muzzle; previous versions of the Tigress describe focussing equipment around the front of the meson mount, which is what I can easily see could look like a muzzle. Also, descriptions indicate a shield over the meson mount that opens when she is ready to fire, and closes to protect the weapon when not in use.
I like what you have done to what is otherwise a pretty ugly design.
have to agree. I hate doing ugly ships but some of them are just...well ,building the Tigress to the canon descriptions about guarantees you get a Pacman ugly... although an iris-type closure at the end of the shaft might be a possible addition..hmm.mancerbear said:
I sort of intended the launch tubes/shafts around the perimeter to be over size. few features such as launch bays and such have to be a little exaggerated to show up at the scale of a Tigress showing any sort of turret or even a 50 ton bay is hard since they are so tiny when you compare them to the bulk of the ship. one of these days I may build far more detailed versions of the big ships, but the level of detail is daunting. Especially when you're doing it mostly for fun/practice, or for a print that will be half a page at most.
the hull for the tigress version I posted started ut as an alien warship for my setting, and then I modified it....here is what it originally looked like...
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Except Deep Meson Sites? They may not absolutely need it, but it might be advantageous to have a muzzle?Sigtrygg said:
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
I agree about ship illustrations, but deep meson sites are buried, not in a pit with a limited field of fire.
So, I vaguely concluded that "they may not absolutely need it, but it might be advantageous to have a muzzle".Striker said:
AnotherDilbert said:
Some things might not agree with a stream of high-energy exotic particles passing through them at near relativistic speeds. Or more precisely any bleed off from the beam, or electromagnetic fields needed to generate the beam
visually the big muzzle glowing as the gun charges just lets people know this ship is about to wreck something in a spectacular way. that's a big part of any piece of ship art. Finding the balance between "that looks good", and "that makes sense." ESPECIALLY when you're dealing with an audience that knows the inner workings of the setting, or the tech involved.
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
The canonical meson gun uses two particle beams to generate the meson stream - it could well be that this beam convergence occurs well in front of the ship, hence the need for a muzzle.
A deep site meson gun - which has never been described well enough to my liking - may well have to be a vast cavern to allow enough space for the particle beams to intersect, the resulting meson beam can them pass harmlessly through the planet.
A deep site meson gun - which has never been described well enough to my liking - may well have to be a vast cavern to allow enough space for the particle beams to intersect, the resulting meson beam can them pass harmlessly through the planet.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
You may very well be right, the open muzzles in the illustrations certainly hints that. I think we are speculating way past available information.
NOLATrav
Emperor Mongoose
I like the direction you're heading in, wbnc. The old Tigress looked like a basketball and a shoebox met John Carpenter's The Thing. Ugly as sin. The depth and detail you're adding to the sphere is a huge improvement.
BTW, you're doing great work and thank you for having the courage to share your progress with us. Let me know when you're ready tackle lighting - I'm a cinematographer by trade
BTW, you're doing great work and thank you for having the courage to share your progress with us. Let me know when you're ready tackle lighting - I'm a cinematographer by trade
NOLATrav said:I like the direction you're heading in, wbnc. The old Tigress looked like a basketball and a shoebox met John Carpenter's The Thing. Ugly as sin. The depth and detail you're adding to the sphere is a huge improvement.
BTW, you're doing great work and thank you for having the courage to share your progress with us. Let me know when you're ready tackle lighting - I'm a cinematographer by trade
Thank you kindly. I appreciate the compliments. It really doesn't take a lot of courage. the worst that can happen is someone calls me an idiot and tells me I don't know what I am doing...It wouldn't be the first tie, and it won't be the last....and they'd be mostly right on both counts.
I'd love o show more exposed details and machinery in the gaps in the outer plating on both sphere and box sections. as well as smaller details such as landing bays, and such....but to do it properly would be at the ragged edge of my abilities at this point. the basic look of the tigress is not a total loss but it is one that needs some work.
I would love any advice you can give me on any aspect of the craft. I am pretty new at this so anything would be a huge help.
