Thirdspace aliens - the One

Actually not only Narns but EA Hyperions too. Basically all the ships that lack artificial gravity in B5 cunningly have seat belts and the rest have artificial gravity and inertial dampeners so really shouldnt NEED them :P

Babylon 5: 1 - Star Trek: 0 :P


However all that said, Star Trek ships have shields so dont need to dodge :P

So I guess thats 1 : 1 really then...
 
16 AD B,P,SAP!!!

Holy 'effin shit if you ask me...

against a 6 Hull ship.

hitting on a 4-6 8 dice (8 total)
hitting on a 5-6 3 dice (11 total)
hitting on a 6 0 dice (11 total)

with precise thats 4 Crits per shot from this gun on average. Against ANY ships this ship will leave the target ship on Speed 0, No SA within two rounds of shooting.

I suggest 6 AC B.P,SAP, 3D instead.
 
If anyone is interested, the B5 rpg book Darkness and Light talks a bit about the Thirdspace aliens and apparently a Thirdspace book will be coming out closer to June '07.

I never read the Thirdspace book so those quotes were very interesting to me, thanks for mentioning those.
 
Shouldn't Thirdspace capital ship be "Ancient" level (above Armageddon)? Since they kick so much Vorlon butt.
 
Wulf Corbett said:
Burger said:
On that starshp dimension page he WS is smaller than the Galaxy class. How do you get that it is twice the size?
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I meant the proper Enterprise, not one of the wannabe afterthoughts. :P

Wulf
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What, the wooden hulled ship from the war of independance or the Aircraft Carrier? :?

Since they are the 'Proper Enterprise'
 
That wasnt the USS Enterprise though, the Civil War frigate was ;). If you dont wan't the USS bit though there was also the first space shuttle ;)
 
Lord David the Denied said:
Reaverman said:
What, the wooden hulled ship from the war of independance or the Aircraft Carrier? :?

Since they are the 'Proper Enterprise'
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Don't be daft, Reaverman. The proper Enterprise was HMS Enterprise, Leander-class, Royal Navy.
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Yes I know, but since its an American TV show ;)
 
Ok, allow me to put a few cents in.

Let's not create another shadow fleet. You know, one with only about 3 ship choices, a majority of which are higher end?

Anyway, I think we should make up some medium sized craft for these guys, as well as some of the larger stuff. Just a thought.

Also, this site has some decent info about the Thirdspace. Apparently, the TA did keep vorlons around for the gate-opening.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirdspace_Aliens#Ships
 
Apparently, the TA did keep vorlons around for the gate-opening.
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I'm not so sure about that....that interpretation relies on (1) disregarding the statement in the book that they consider no-one else worthy of contiued existence and (2) considering that the Thirdspace fighters look Vorlon.

Might be interesting as a campaign PDF, though - have the original invasion......some primordial-era Vorlon ships, Thirspace vessels (maybe add in a cruiser-class version of the warship?) and some Shadow ships - although as amongst the oldest of the first ones, they're probably already at contemparary shadow capabilities....

I like the idea of the Thirdspace aliens and the Hand being one and the same - does anyone know if Legend of the Rangers (sorry for using laguage like that on this forum) says the Vorlons specifically were involved in casting the Hand out, or just that it was the First Ones? If the latter, it could feasibly just have been Lorien and the Ancients.....and the Vorlons could have readily blundered into their jail.
Oh - found this:
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/117.html
(Can anyone find a picture of a hand ship for people, by the way?)

If so, that adds the Hand warships to the mix of options, which are nicely lower powered vessels, as the Liandra seemed to be able to take them on in a pretty fair fight. It also suggests that they do use servitor races.....
The Hand rewards loyalty. It is their only virtue.
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Let's not create another shadow fleet. You know, one with only about 3 ship choices, a majority of which are higher end?
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Theres a limit to how low a priority the One's ships can feasibly be, I think...but I know what you mean.

Patrol
Advanced Jump Points?

Skirmish
Thirdspace Fighter (a bit low, but it gives you a feasible choice for small games)
Hand Warship?

Raid
Thirdspace Gunship (The actual Thirdspace Fighters.....)?
Hand Warship?

Battle
Thirdspace Cruiser?

War
Thirdspace Capital Ship

Armageddon
Thirdspace Mothership
 
One thing though (and sorry to nitpick but this is a pet peeve of mine).

Vorlons and Shadows ARE first ones/ancients so I wish people would refer to the other non Vorlon/Shadow ones as the 'other ancients/other first ones' rather than having 'Vorlons, Shadows, First Ones (or ancients) as three seperate groups'

The Krishiak for example are FAR younger than any of the other ancients (including the Vorlons).
 
ps. If anyone points out that the single ships of the remaining 'other first ones' are SOOOO much more powerful than Vorlon and Shadow ships I would point out that the remaining ships are the pinacle of those races tech and more in line with a Vorlon planet killer or shadow death cloud than a Heavy Cruiser or Shadow ship....
 
I personally have never been convinced that the Shadows are the oldest First Ones either. That is based on one statement by Delen who at the time could only base what she knew on Vorlon propaganda. The Vorlons had a vested interest in portraying the Shadows as some sort of ancient enemy from before the beginning of time, which helped stop the younger races relating to them at all.

Lorein's statements and the fact that the Shadows look up to him just like all the other First Ones suggests that he (and his species if he had one...) are the oldest. The Shadows may well be older than the Vorlon's we have no evidence to support that one either way.

Nick
 
The Shadows are not the Oldest of the First ones. I refer you if you want ALOT more background info, to the AoG book, wars of the ancients (if you can find it any more :().

The Ancients in order from oldest to youngest are:

Lorien --> Triad --> Walkers --> Shadows --> Mindriders --> Torvalus <--> Vorlons (not sure which way round these two go) ---------------------> Krishiak

The Krishiak are not even 'true first ones' though they are by comparison to the younger races still immeasureably ancient.
 
Actually I know most of that, I was just ignoring it for the benefit of the people who don't have any AOG books... (not that I have War of the Ancients... :cry: )

Nick
 
I was lucky enough to get one of the last copies from AoG themselves and I must say its a superb book, with a TON of background info on all the ancients and a complete history of the Krishiak wars, not to mention full fleets for all of them. (The ones you see are amongst the most potent but not THE most potent, and there are actually even MORE powerful Vorlon and Shadowships in the primeval eras, apprently the ones we see in the show are the lighter models, they dont acutally use their REALLY nasty ships on the younger races as its just not worth it :shock: (in fact I think theyre supposed to have retired said ships, also they were flown personally by actual shadows and vorlons and not thralls so they much prefer to use their 'modern ones' thus meaning theres no danger to any of their actual species :P)

Sadly nowherdays its virtually impossible to get the book, (though if you see one on Ebay and have any interest in the ancients background or B5wars itself I'd strongly reccomend it :D)
 
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