Captain Jonah
Mongoose
But a good pointing system gives a basis that allows for play testing to amend the points.
Rather than wholesale use of the points from an entirely different system with different game mechanics being used and then significantly tweaked.
It doesn't take a complex system to see that the Fed BCJ being cheaper than the less capable NCC is wrong. Play testing should have spotted that. Heck a decent read of the rules books spots it.
BY importing the FC ship costs based on years of balancing the ships by play testing in games of FC you have a costing system that does not in any way relate to ACTA-SF.
The rules are going out, the games are being played. Once we have the reports from 1000 games then we have a solid basis for play tested points changes. But we need to be coming from a basic system that reflects ACTA NOT FC. This isn't FC. The ships may have the same shields, weapons etc but nothing works in the same way, the balance is completely different.
Many examples are, as a result of using the FC costs and not changing them, priced oddly.
You can look at the basic costs TJhairball has come up with and tweak from there or you can take the FC costs which have no relation to the game and tweak from there.
I have already mentioned the Kzinti FF works out under priced on his system because the package can be more or less effective than the sum of its parts. 10 Kzinti FFs is just broken, though once we get the Drone rules changed (Matt :wink: ) the FF may turn out to be priced about right.
The BCJ is clearly not a balanced cost compared to the 200+ point ships in the Fed fleet. Would you field an NCC in your fleet or would you go for the more capable (and cheaper) BCJ.
The points cost in the game should reflect the effectiveness in the battle, Matt has said that the points are based on its role within the fleet using Starship troopers as an example. But the BCJ does not fill a special role, its just a bigger more capable cruiser in a fleet full of cruisers. A variant with plasma’s replacing all the Photons and Drones is a significantly different ship and may come under Matt’s increased cost thing but the only current Fed ship with Plasmas-s swaps two Drones for Plasma-Fs and is the same price.
Likewise how is Lumbering and Racial Initiative bonus or penalties factored into the fleets. Is every Klingon ship a little bit more expensive to reflect that +1 Initiative bonus or is that not a factor and it just represents a bias towards certain races that is not balanced. :roll:
Yes Matt I know what you said. I have spent 30+ years wargaming and role playing, I play with quantum physics for fun, I have played and enjoyed SFB for 30 odd years and consider FC the intro level rules simplified for the children. I think the way I think, blame my brain :lol: :wink:
Rather than wholesale use of the points from an entirely different system with different game mechanics being used and then significantly tweaked.
It doesn't take a complex system to see that the Fed BCJ being cheaper than the less capable NCC is wrong. Play testing should have spotted that. Heck a decent read of the rules books spots it.
BY importing the FC ship costs based on years of balancing the ships by play testing in games of FC you have a costing system that does not in any way relate to ACTA-SF.
The rules are going out, the games are being played. Once we have the reports from 1000 games then we have a solid basis for play tested points changes. But we need to be coming from a basic system that reflects ACTA NOT FC. This isn't FC. The ships may have the same shields, weapons etc but nothing works in the same way, the balance is completely different.
Many examples are, as a result of using the FC costs and not changing them, priced oddly.
You can look at the basic costs TJhairball has come up with and tweak from there or you can take the FC costs which have no relation to the game and tweak from there.
I have already mentioned the Kzinti FF works out under priced on his system because the package can be more or less effective than the sum of its parts. 10 Kzinti FFs is just broken, though once we get the Drone rules changed (Matt :wink: ) the FF may turn out to be priced about right.
The BCJ is clearly not a balanced cost compared to the 200+ point ships in the Fed fleet. Would you field an NCC in your fleet or would you go for the more capable (and cheaper) BCJ.
The points cost in the game should reflect the effectiveness in the battle, Matt has said that the points are based on its role within the fleet using Starship troopers as an example. But the BCJ does not fill a special role, its just a bigger more capable cruiser in a fleet full of cruisers. A variant with plasma’s replacing all the Photons and Drones is a significantly different ship and may come under Matt’s increased cost thing but the only current Fed ship with Plasmas-s swaps two Drones for Plasma-Fs and is the same price.
Likewise how is Lumbering and Racial Initiative bonus or penalties factored into the fleets. Is every Klingon ship a little bit more expensive to reflect that +1 Initiative bonus or is that not a factor and it just represents a bias towards certain races that is not balanced. :roll:
Yes Matt I know what you said. I have spent 30+ years wargaming and role playing, I play with quantum physics for fun, I have played and enjoyed SFB for 30 odd years and consider FC the intro level rules simplified for the children. I think the way I think, blame my brain :lol: :wink:
