The joy of destroyers
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Fitzwalrus
Mongoose
Hammer of Ulric said:
Fubuki-class DD's are One Shot.
Kagero-class DD's (and presumably the later follow-on classes of fleet DD's) have reloads and are Slow Loading.
You're preaching to the choir: the near-invulnerability of DD's at night was one of the first problems our group found in our first game.
I met this last week with even just regular cruisers going at flank speed and then need a 7 to be hit (hit 5+, long or extreme range).
A few people have suggested the old GW rules where a second die is rolled if you need to hit a 7+ and you roll a 6 with your first die. I think the second one needed a 4+ to hit a 7, 5+ for an 8 and 6 for a 9.
Has anyone tried that? Does it unbalance the game?
A few people have suggested the old GW rules where a second die is rolled if you need to hit a 7+ and you roll a 6 with your first die. I think the second one needed a 4+ to hit a 7, 5+ for an 8 and 6 for a 9.
Has anyone tried that? Does it unbalance the game?
Hammer of Ulric said:
As Fitz said - the Kagero - I found out quite by accident running my first game....I thought ooh good torp destroyer for the blockade run. It fired and sunk one enemy and I crossed the torps off and the player asked 'if they load slow how fast do I get them back'.....suddenly said destroyer looked scary
LOL, Wargames Research Group used something like this (if not this exact rule) well before GW even existed
I think I first came across it in their 1950-1985 micro armour rules (which, as an aside, were streets ahead of their "second edition" and are still a cracking set of 1:1 armour rules!)The 'infinite' torpedoes of the IJN really makes my skin crawl. Yes, they had reloads. No, they didn't reload them in battle situations. Nor, did they have more than ONE reload available at any given time. (Two at the outside). Personally, I feel that for any battle, a given IJN ship has ONE shot with their torpedoes. In our upcoming campaign, we are going to allow reloading ships to 'reload' between battles, without having to go to port- its an 'operational' advantage, and not a tactical one.
Darilian
Darilian
We haven't played enough submarine against convoy battles yet, so that issue hasn't come up yet, steelwhip. I'd be on the fence- at least a submarine has horizontal reloading- vs. the IJN's VERTICAL (use a crane, lift them up, drop them down) reloads :shock:. However, you're probably right- it would make Subs more likely to 'stick around' longer than they should. Haven't tried it yet though, need to do so.
I do know that in the many games of IJN vs. USN we've played, those infinite Long Lances have almost broken the game.
Darilian
I do know that in the many games of IJN vs. USN we've played, those infinite Long Lances have almost broken the game.
Darilian
Happy_Wanderer
Mongoose
Gents,
Could some one confirm (with a rules reference if one exists) that targets that accumulate a 7 or more to hit actually can't be fired at in the turn ie they are invulnerable?
We have been playing that a 6 is always a hit regardless of 'to hit' numbers beyond 6.
Which is the correct way.
Cheers
HappyW
Could some one confirm (with a rules reference if one exists) that targets that accumulate a 7 or more to hit actually can't be fired at in the turn ie they are invulnerable?
We have been playing that a 6 is always a hit regardless of 'to hit' numbers beyond 6.
Which is the correct way.
Cheers
HappyW
Darilian said:We haven't played enough submarine against convoy battles yet, so that issue hasn't come up yet, steelwhip. I'd be on the fence- at least a submarine has horizontal reloading- vs. the IJN's VERTICAL (use a crane, lift them up, drop them down) reloads :shock:. However, you're probably right- it would make Subs more likely to 'stick around' longer than they should. Haven't tried it yet though, need to do so.
I do know that in the many games of IJN vs. USN we've played, those infinite Long Lances have almost broken the game.
Darilian
we have been thinking of extending the reload times to 2 turns instead of 1 turn for Subs...our resident bubble head (4 years in the Navy all on sub duty) says that it may be more in line....we havnt doen enough with subs yet as well....so were still looking at it
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
They did you know. A major advantage, especially with Long LanceDarilian said:
Wulf
Happy_Wanderer
Mongoose
On second reading, I think we'll need to adjust that. 7+ = no hit unless using the 7= 6 and 4 system, etc.
Cheers
HappyW
Cheers
HappyW
