The Dark side of Lodril

Exubae

Mongoose
This is basically a question about Glorantha Trivia:-

In the old Lodril RQ2l write up, he has a subcult 'The Monster Man' which also happens to be the Title of Deshkorgos, god of the Solar pantheons fourth Hell.
Somewhere I think I've read that Lodril and Deshkorgos made a pact... but are the same entity?

Unless its just Greg inventing new stuff...
 
Exubae said:
This is basically a question about Glorantha Trivia:-

In the old Lodril RQ2l write up, he has a subcult 'The Monster Man' which also happens to be the Title of Deshkorgos, god of the Solar pantheons fourth Hell.
Somewhere I think I've read that Lodril and Deshkorgos made a pact... but are the same entity?

Unless its just Greg inventing new stuff...

As far as I know, it is just similar titles. Lodril has a "Monster Man" attribute (the wild and untamed fury of the volcano) and Deskorkos (whom I really wanted to include in Cults) has the appelation "Lord of Monsters"

So.. close but no lava bomb. ;)

Lodril rules the first four or five of the Dara Happan Hells. Deshkorgos rules the sixth - one never conquored by Lodril and deepest in its evil. The party line is that the two gods fought each other to a standstill.

Jeff
 
Deshkorgos rules the sixth
Try and sneak him in to cults 3 if it gets the go a head - be quite cool to have some non-chaotic evil gods :)

Just wondered why Arraz got to be the sun servant aspect of Yelm, isn't he Yelms Brother with the military aptitude.

The other thing is why is Yelmalio such a nowhere god (other than being trumped up Nysalor) he doesn't have any place on 'The Gods Wall' and is pretty much an outsider in both Yelm's and Orlanth's myths. Other than being refered to being the brightness of Yelm he seems unconnected (Other than in the cult-right ups through the years where he gains a tenuous link to Yelm)
Though saying that neither Yamsur nor Yelorna are mentioned on the God Wall either.

Not moaning just wondering...
 
Exubae said:
Deshkorgos rules the sixth
Try and sneak him in to cults 3 if it gets the go a head - be quite cool to have some non-chaotic evil gods :)

Just wondered why Arraz got to be the sun servant aspect of Yelm, isn't he Yelms Brother with the military aptitude.

The other thing is why is Yelmalio such a nowhere god (other than being trumped up Nysalor) he doesn't have any place on 'The Gods Wall' and is pretty much an outsider in both Yelm's and Orlanth's myths. Other than being refered to being the brightness of Yelm he seems unconnected (Other than in the cult-right ups through the years where he gains a tenuous link to Yelm)
Though saying that neither Yamsur nor Yelorna are mentioned on the God Wall either.

Not moaning just wondering...

OK, here's some deep background on Yelmalio, which I am cribbing from the Unfinished Work on Heortling History that Greg and I plan to release in the next month or so.

Yelmalio is NOT a trumped up Nysalor. In the First Age, the God of the Sun Dome Temple was called Hastatus (or Avivorus) Antirius, until Nysalor revealed the god to be Daysenerus - an aspect of Antirius who brings Antirius' Justice to the barbarians. If I was trying to put him on the Gods Wall I would say he is either the single beam of light coming down from Ezelveztay, or that he is Avivorus (also called Hastatus or Spear Man).

The first Sun Dome Temple was built by Kestingatha as described in GRoY. Later, after Emperor Mahzanelm conquered Vanch (345-350), the Dara Happans sought to ensure that barbarian land could be kept under their control. The Emperor commissioned the construction of a grand structure that would be both temple and a military enclave for the Dara Happans.

After the First Theyalan War (368), more of these Sun Dome Temples were built – one was even built atop the ruins of Urar Baar (a troll trading place at the confluence of the Oslir and the Black Eel rivers). In all, five Sun Dome Temples served as Dara Happan military anchors to keep the rebellious Orlanthi under the control of the High Council.

It was at the Battle of Day and Night that Nysalor revealed Daysenerus to be the god of the Sun Dome Temple. Daysenerus' first deed was to crush the army of Kyger Litor and his first temple was built upon the site of that victory.

During the years that followed, new Sun Dome Temples dedicated to Daysenerus were built throughout the lands occupied by the Bright Empire. The military might of the enclaves of Daysenerus suppressed the rebellious Heortlings and supported the rule of the Bright Empire. However, their association with Nysalor proved to be their downfall. When Arkat raised the Heortlings into their final successful rebellion, vengeful Heortlings and their troll allies destroyed every Sun Dome Temple they encountered and eradicated the name Daysenerus from Peloria.

During the period of troll and Heortling domination of southern Peloria, the Sun Dome Temples were Relit by the prophet Severinalus the Rekindler. Severinalus called the god Tharkantus, the Empty Saving Hearth, prepared for the darkness to come. He settled many temples, for many places prepared once again for the time that the fires all went out. Initially, the cult of Tharkantus fiercely resisted the rise of the EWF from their city of Domanand (Third Age Mirin's Cross) but later the soldier-cultists of Tharkantus became used by the EWF as mercenaries.

Hope this helps a bit.

Jeff
 
Wicked response...

ooops meant trumped up by Nysalor (At the same time as the High Storm)... rather than being Nysalor.

Cool, that means Yelmalio fits snuggly into the Solar pantheon rather than leaving him floating around.

Is the Mythstic path of the High Storm, old Loko's cult still kicking around in the second age?
 
Lordy, I hardly even recognise many of the names in there. I should really take a look at the Unfinished Works, but I'm afraid I might melt my brain. :?
 
ninthcouncil said:
Lordy, I hardly even recognise many of the names in there. I should really take a look at the Unfinished Works, but I'm afraid I might melt my brain. :?

One reason why I write at the level I do. I admit I use the unfinished works as source matieral but they aren't anything one can actually use for play (Revealed Mythologies and Missing Lands being partial exceptions to this)... though I should have mentioned Daysenarus in the writeup. Thatarkus was enough for me though. :D

Jeff
 
Exubae said:
Is the Mythstic path of the High Storm, old Loko's cult still kicking around in the second age?

Although I think Robin Laws' writeup has the High Storm active in Talastar or Brolia (I can't remember which) in the Second Age, Greg and I do not believe that Lokomayadon's Tarumath path survived without Lokomoko (he died at the Battle of the Verge). There might be a storm god (possibly even Orlanth) that a cult worships as "Tarumath" but it is probably normal theist worship and not Lokomoko mystic storm.

Keep in mind that the Heortlings (who conquered Talastar, Syllila and Dara Happa after the Gbaji Wars), had it out for the old Tarumath cult.
 
richaje said:
Exubae said:
Is the Mythstic path of the High Storm, old Loko's cult still kicking around in the second age?

Although I think Robin Laws' writeup has the High Storm active in Talastar or Brolia (I can't remember which) in the Second Age, Greg and I do not believe that Lokomayadon's Tarumath path survived without Lokomoko (he died at the Battle of the Verge). There might be a storm god (possibly even Orlanth) that a cult worships as "Tarumath" but it is probably normal theist worship and not Lokomoko mystic storm.

Er, no not entirely right, I think. Greg's told me on several occasions that Lokomoko's still out there and is due to come back during the Hero Wars.

Not sure about 2nd Age worship but hey, I seem to recall that there was always a strong anti-Heortling streak in the norhtenrmost Orlanthi who always maintained a worship of Tarumath (this is noted in the ILH-1).

Jeff
 
ninthcouncil said:
Lordy, I hardly even recognise many of the names in there. I should really take a look at the Unfinished Works, but I'm afraid I might melt my brain. :?

That's the joy of the Unfinished Works - pure deep Gloranthan background. No concessions to the mechanics and conventions of a particular gaming system. But they are filled with great ideas to be used in games, stories, whatever.

I'd get my hands of The Middle Sea Empire, Glorious ReAscent of Yelm, and The Fortunate Succession. I'd also definitely buy "History of the Heortlings" when it comes out in a month or so and also "Deities of the Heortlings" when it comes out later this spring.

Jeff
 
Voriof said:
One reason why I write at the level I do. I admit I use the unfinished works as source matieral but they aren't anything one can actually use for play (Revealed Mythologies and Missing Lands being partial exceptions to this)... though I should have mentioned Daysenarus in the writeup. Thatarkus was enough for me though.

And here's the funny thing - I find the Unfinished Works more useful for play than most published material. :)

Jeff
 
richaje said:
Voriof said:
One reason why I write at the level I do. I admit I use the unfinished works as source matieral but they aren't anything one can actually use for play (Revealed Mythologies and Missing Lands being partial exceptions to this)... though I should have mentioned Daysenarus in the writeup. Thatarkus was enough for me though.

And here's the funny thing - I find the Unfinished Works more useful for play than most published material. :)

Jeff

Yes, but you are far, far, far from the typical player. Things like Dorastor, River of Cradles and the like should be the general target audience I suspect.

Jeff
 
Voriof said:
richaje said:
Voriof said:
One reason why I write at the level I do. I admit I use the unfinished works as source matieral but they aren't anything one can actually use for play (Revealed Mythologies and Missing Lands being partial exceptions to this)... though I should have mentioned Daysenarus in the writeup. Thatarkus was enough for me though.

And here's the funny thing - I find the Unfinished Works more useful for play than most published material. :)

Jeff

Yes, but you are far, far, far from the typical player. Things like Dorastor, River of Cradles and the like should be the general target audience I suspect.

Jeff

I absolutely agree - that's why you write game publications for pay and I write weird little essays about fictional places and short stories about fictional events as a form of personal entertainment. :)

Jeff
 
Voriof said:
richaje said:
Voriof said:
One reason why I write at the level I do. I admit I use the unfinished works as source matieral but they aren't anything one can actually use for play (Revealed Mythologies and Missing Lands being partial exceptions to this)... though I should have mentioned Daysenarus in the writeup. Thatarkus was enough for me though.

And here's the funny thing - I find the Unfinished Works more useful for play than most published material. :)

Jeff

Yes, but you are far, far, far from the typical player. Things like Dorastor, River of Cradles and the like should be the general target audience I suspect.

Jeff


Is that a slur...?
 
homerjsinnott said:
Voriof said:
richaje said:
And here's the funny thing - I find the Unfinished Works more useful for play than most published material. :)

Jeff

Yes, but you are far, far, far from the typical player. Things like Dorastor, River of Cradles and the like should be the general target audience I suspect.

Jeff


Is that a slur...?

Nope! Jeff's very much a depth diving imersionist. Most folks simply do not need that level of detail.

That's why he's writing the Unpublished Works (and quite well at that!) and I am not. I've always been more of a populist. ;) That's why Greg has me write introductory scenarios and overviews and similar such glosses of far more in-depth material.

Jeff
 
Voriof said:
homerjsinnott said:
Is that a slur...?

Nope! Jeff's very much a depth diving imersionist. Most folks simply do not need that level of detail.

That's why he's writing the Unpublished Works (and quite well at that!) and I am not. I've always been more of a populist. ;)

Shoot. And here I was getting all geared up for some Jeff on Jeff violence...
 
Rurik said:
Voriof said:
homerjsinnott said:
Is that a slur...?

Nope! Jeff's very much a depth diving imersionist. Most folks simply do not need that level of detail.

That's why he's writing the Unpublished Works (and quite well at that!) and I am not. I've always been more of a populist. ;)

Shoot. And here I was getting all geared up for some Jeff on Jeff violence...

Given that I didn't think that was a slur against me (if anything I thought Jeff was making a mild slur against the typical gamer audience), I think it is mighty unlikely that this will be your source of Jeff on Jeff violence. Besides, we Jeff's are loyal to our fellow namesakes. :)

Jeff
 
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