The Core Expeditions Errata
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Maxijohndoe
Banded Mongoose
This is where the game runs into reality and you need to decide what is more important to you.
I am going off memory but I believe that when the first Traveller subsector maps were being created it was unknown in which direction the Milky Way Galaxy rotated. The designers had a 50/50 guess and guessed wrong, so Spinward is Trailing and Trailing is Spinward.
I should add that this was fixed once the real direction of rotation was known.
The 100d rule exists because diameter is a far easier number to come up with than mass. A planet's mass is determined by its average density and that can vary considerably.
Stars vary in density as well.
Couple this with the fact that exactly what Jump Space is has never really been explained in scientific terms and 100d is good enough for a game.
Pick a random Traveller planet - say Lanth - and then ask what is its mass? I can answer that - 5.86E+24 kg - because I created it in a software program. The diameter is 12,783 km. Lanth is a water world and slightly less dense on average than the Earth - 5.35 g/cm3 vs. 5.51 g/cm3.
Which figure is easier to use?
Also you have books - The World Builders Handbook and The Great Rift mentioned above - that not a huge number of players or referees will own. I own 15 Mongoose books but have neither of those.
Of course it always comes down to your table = your rules, so people can use whatever method suits them.
I am going off memory but I believe that when the first Traveller subsector maps were being created it was unknown in which direction the Milky Way Galaxy rotated. The designers had a 50/50 guess and guessed wrong, so Spinward is Trailing and Trailing is Spinward.
I should add that this was fixed once the real direction of rotation was known.
The 100d rule exists because diameter is a far easier number to come up with than mass. A planet's mass is determined by its average density and that can vary considerably.
Stars vary in density as well.
Couple this with the fact that exactly what Jump Space is has never really been explained in scientific terms and 100d is good enough for a game.
Pick a random Traveller planet - say Lanth - and then ask what is its mass? I can answer that - 5.86E+24 kg - because I created it in a software program. The diameter is 12,783 km. Lanth is a water world and slightly less dense on average than the Earth - 5.35 g/cm3 vs. 5.51 g/cm3.
Which figure is easier to use?
Also you have books - The World Builders Handbook and The Great Rift mentioned above - that not a huge number of players or referees will own. I own 15 Mongoose books but have neither of those.
Of course it always comes down to your table = your rules, so people can use whatever method suits them.
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I use the cube root (rather than the square root) because the relationship between diameter and volume (and thus mass) is a cubic one. To double the diameter (and the 100D limit), the volume of the stellar object would increase by a factor of 8, assuming the density is held constant. (Obviously, the density of dead stellar objects does not hold constant, but according to what's been published, we're treating the jump shadow of such objects as if they were stars of the appropriate mass. But it's an undefined area at the moment; it can be played either way without breaking the game.)
I will note, though, that working proportionately with the cube root of the mass gives a smaller jump shadow than using the square root. This might become important when dealing with intermediate and super-massive black holes. For example, using your method for Sagittarius A*, you get a jump shadow radius of 1884 AU, while using mine gives a jump shadow radius of just short of 149 AU. I'm not sure how important that might become (hey, gamers are seriously unpredictable!), but it might be something to keep in mind.
Edited to clarify: the square root only increases faster than the cube root when your initial quantity is above 1. For stars of smaller mass than Sol (not applicable for neutron stars or black holes), the reverse holds true.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
The formula Geir gave uses stellar mass, not stellar volume.
At those distances, the body acts like a point source. Light, other radiation and gravity vary with the square root of distance.
The use of 100D is just an approximation. The gravity well is generated by mass. Also, the formula was presented due to the discussion of black holes, and requiring the accurate formula without resorting to D. Volume and diameter are not going to give good results on objects that dense, and yes, your way will have gravity appearing to fall off faster than it actually would. Result: starships precipitate from jump space sooner than calculated (at the distance calculated by using the square root).
At those distances, the body acts like a point source. Light, other radiation and gravity vary with the square root of distance.
The use of 100D is just an approximation. The gravity well is generated by mass. Also, the formula was presented due to the discussion of black holes, and requiring the accurate formula without resorting to D. Volume and diameter are not going to give good results on objects that dense, and yes, your way will have gravity appearing to fall off faster than it actually would. Result: starships precipitate from jump space sooner than calculated (at the distance calculated by using the square root).
CordwainerFish
Emperor Mongoose
p.30: "one-parsec coreward of Zhdant" should be "one parsec coreward of Zhdant".
I believe a review of a manual of style is in order.
I believe a review of a manual of style is in order.
Theophilus
Banded Mongoose
Pg. 7 third paragraph realized their earlier hope was true; they were more species...
Should read there were more species
Should read there were more species
Theophilus
Banded Mongoose
Which fanzine developed Trojan reach back story?
collins355
Emperor Mongoose
CordwainerFish
Emperor Mongoose
p.154: The stanza for Fiaftashe sector and the one for Nshofref sector should be swapped.
Enjoy the Blotches… they are very of their time.Eat your heart out...
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CordwainerFish
Emperor Mongoose
p.167 and following: per Tmap, Jefltsea subsector is in Enchakl sector, not Nialkridla, and it is in subsector P, not M (putting its worlds at different hex numbers).
Theophilus
Banded Mongoose
Page 39, EPREFL box map K no L
Theophilus
Banded Mongoose
Theophilus
Banded Mongoose
Only until you drop the drop tank, then no more 5 jumps
mavikfelna
Emperor Mongoose
In past editions I know they have mentioned the Navy recovering dropped tanks for reuse so I see no reason you couldn't detatch the tank, go do what needs doing, and then come back and reattach the tank.
It would be slow, but you could even detatch the tank, go and refuel at a gas giant, reattach the tank and transfer fuel to it, detatch and go refuel again and repeat until the tank is full.
Theophilus
Banded Mongoose
Go jump 4, but internal fuel only jump 2. My comment regards going and returning in the void where there is no source of fuel
