The Best and Worst Patrol Level Ships

[Celisasu]

I've never played Abbai but I've always liked the way the Tiraca looks on paper at least. It seems like it'd be a decent ship in Patrol and Skirmish engagements. It just doesn't look like something that'd scale up to higher level fights all that well which is what makes the Corvan, Vaarl, and Drakh Scout so nice.

 

[Humbaba]

First of all, I would like to say that I agree with much of the discussion so far. I would like to mention that for these calculations I specifically avoided trying to include tactical factors such as speed, range, scouting, etc. as I do not feel that they can be directly mathematically modeled. These factors are far too dependant on your overall fleet structure, style of play, opposing force composition, the presence of terrain, goals of a given scenario, etc. I specifically did the calculations to build a tool to help compare the various ships ability to fight it out. The list is also not directly useful to tell you “this ship will beat that ship” - instead it is a general rating.
The calculations do factor in GEG and Interceptors, as well as the increased damage caused by critical hits – not the effects of critical hits as this falls into the realm of the tactical.

Triggy – I am curios as to why you rate the Minbari Nial noticeably higher then the ISA Nial as the ISA has the +1 crew quality advantage. Is this because you feel that the Minbari gain a greater benefit from a Nial like ship?

 

[Ripple]

A list dedicated to the Tiraca is perfectly viable, I don't use them that way due to a lack of models mostly.

My issue with the placement comes in part from the discussion of stacking, a few Tiraca's rarely add much to a fleet, where as many do. Some will get there.

It also depends on who you fight, set up, etc.. Big beam eats up the low hull, mini-beam bypass interceptors, etc.

So some of it is experience with the ship vs the stats. You won a tourney and see the math complimenting your experience, I see an something that contradicts all experience so wonder if the math is right.

Anyway, wanted to throw down a post to let you know I had thought about the response. Not terribly coherent at the moment though.

Ripple

 

[katadder]

yes the tiraca fleet won a tourney but thats cos no one has ever come up against a 15 ship fleet before and wasnt entirely sure how to handle it.
the fleet I had could have ran circles around the abbai fleet and used range and speed to advantage to guarantee they dont win due to being fairly slow and short ranged.
its the shock factor of something new that will get you going.

that said the Tiraca is one of my favourite patrol ships, pretty decent firepower and survivability. normally when using ISA i take abbai as allies for the tiracas and milanis (one of the better skirmish ships IMO too).

 

[Triggy]

Triggy – I am curios as to why you rate the Minbari Nial noticeably higher then the ISA Nial as the ISA has the +1 crew quality advantage. Is this because you feel that the Minbari gain a greater benefit from a Nial like ship?

Aargh, forgot the ISA and Vree +1 to be added to their fighters! (I only counted their Initiative which is why the ISA version is slightly worse in that list than the Minbari version). I'll update this imminently...

 

[Triggy]

Updated to include Myrmidon and Blue Star (in my post a few above).

 

[Morakas]

I think the Narn patrol ship is the worst ever. I can't think of its name right now but its weapons are range 4.