Support ships and shooting into a dogfight

[Methos5000]

I posted this in another topic but it went unanswered as other things were being discussed there so I will ask it again seperatly.

I have my nial fighter supporting my WS per the rules on page 19 of the ACTA Revised Core Rules. My opponent moves all of his fighters to the side and rear arcs of my WS so that one cant shoot at his fighters. I have another WS which is in range with the molecular pulsar. Can I shoot at those fighters since they are all also in base contact with my Nial and the first one that attack my WS has to dogfight the Nial?

And a related question, can his fighters team up on the dogfight resulting from my fighter supporting my ship, or does that count as me initiating the dogfight, and if they can are they no longer allowed to fire on this ship since they participated in the dogfight?

 

[Burger]

1) If they are in base contact with your Nial, then they are in dogfight. They cannot attack the capital ship, and cannot be attacked by your other WS. Any that are not in contact with your Nial, are not in dogfight, therefore are fair game for any capital ships weapons.

2) If his fghters attack your capital ship, then your fighters move out to intercept one of them. He cannot gang up on you. Since you can only intercep one, his other fighters can fire freely on your WS. If he doesn't attack the capital ship but goes straight into dogfight with your Nials, then he can gang up on you.

 

[PMOS]

Another question,
This is the situation, I have a dogfight right in front of an opponent's capital ship and another flight of him is 2" away.
So I win the dogfight and my flight stands around!
May his flight shoot at mine?
May his capital ship shoot at mine?
or what?
Gruß Patrick
PS: "On the road to Victory"

 

[Burger]

Yes.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

Another question,
This is the situation, I have a dogfight right in front of an opponent's capital ship and another flight of him is 2" away.
So I win the dogfight and my flight stands around!

The rules on Supporting flights keep changing. My preference is for the ones that say, to paraphrase, "if the Supporting Flight wins the Dogfight, it is immediately moved back onto the ship's base or counter". No standing around.

Mind you, anyone can fire at Supporting Flights anyway, even when they are on the ship's base/counter...

Wulf

 

[Burger]

Wulf,
PMOS isn't talking about supporting flights. Just dogfights in general.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

PMOS isn't talking about supporting flights. Just dogfights in general.

Oh, good point...

In which case, as you say, yes... BUT only if the dogfight mentioned was started by you, and the opponent declares after you, since all fighters on one side declare their fire at once. You can't change your mind after you see the outcome of a dogfight.

Wulf

 

[Burger]

orly? I thought each fighter declares its firing then resolve it in turn. Need to have a good memory if you have lots of fighters then??

 

[Wulf Corbett]

orly? I thought each fighter declares its firing then resolve it in turn. Need to have a good memory if you have lots of fighters then??

True, and unwieldy I agree. But personally I just declare anything in a Dogfight and fence them off for that declaration, and deal with the rest individually. If someone can declare me wrong, so be it.

I have the same problem fighting Minbari - I never squadron any ships fighting against the Mimblies, because I split fire on virtually every weapon - and that's bad enough on a single ship, never mind a squadron!

Wulf

 

[Burger]

Vorlon fighters like splitting their beams, too

 

[PMOS]

Yes i ment it burgers way.
So thx for the answer.
Gruß Patrick

 

[Locutus9956]

Yes.

Well as answers go, its short, to the point, totally useless, and utterly consistent with what Ive come to expect from a Burger

 

[Burger]

Yes.

Well as answers go, its short, to the point, totally useless, and utterly consistent with what Ive come to expect from a Burger

Its short, to the point, and totally correct

 

[Locutus9956]

yes I know but that wouldnt have been diverging too far from the quote

 

[Enalut]

Slight variation to the initial question:

After the Armagedon cahnges, can capital ships shoot at fighters that were engaged in a Dogfight?

under the new rules, since fighter combat is resolved before the capital ships fire, can a capital ship fire at a fighter that just won a dogfight this turn, but (sicne the other fighter is removed) is not now engaged in a Dogfight?

My group has ruled that yes it can fire at the fighter, but I was wondeirng what other people think?

 

[lastbesthope]

Were is not is, if a ship was in a dogfight but is no longer such when a ship chooses to fire at it, then it's fair game.

LBH

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

No on the first point, yes on the second. All effects of dogfighting are resolved before ships fire.

 

[Methos5000]

Okay I finally have SFOS and it clears up somethings but I still have a couple questions.

Does the Dogfighting rule supercede all other auxiliary craft rules?
By this I mean, If I have a flight supporting my ship and my opponent moves all his flights in base with my capital ship(meaning they would also be in base contact with my flight) would my flight no longer be supporting but now dogfighting?

And if that is true wouldnt it be better then for my opponents flight to only move within an inch of my capital ships base, so only one of his flights is tied up fighting my support ship but all the other ships get to shoot normally still? That is how that would work isnt it?