Starter box questions.

[Funkyhamster]

I'm new to the game as well as the forum and my box has not even arrived yet but i have got a couple of questions about the starter box.
1. Does it come with glue :?:
2. Does it come with paint :?:
3. Does it come with the snap together figures like 40k and fantasy or are they glue together :?:
4. Are the cap troopers plastic or metal :?:
5. Are the warrior bugs plastic or metal :?:

 

[emperorpenguin]

1 No
2 No
3 Glue
4 Plastic
5 Plastic

and I voted Battle For Skull Pass, just for value for money it's clearly the best.

 

[Goldwyrm]

I'm new to the game as well as the forum and my box has not even arrived yet but i have got a couple of questions about the starter box.

For glue I would recommend finding a good liquid plastic cement for ABS plastic. I use Plastruct's Plastic Weld product.

If you have time, do poke around the forum for tutorials and topics on how to build your Mobile Infantry and Arachnids with the minimum amount of stress. They're not that difficult if you have some prior modelling experience. If not just relax and take your time.

Welcome to the forum and have fun with your game!

 

[Makoto]

Another good idea is to use Pattex "SOS" glue. Works excellent w/both metal and plastic parts.
And welcome around ^^

 

[lt.harper]

The sst box set is grat! it had evry thing you need to start playing. Plus they were easy to asembl sence i had exsperinc with GW plastics. and the rules where simple.

Its a shame they wont have starter sets with the prepaints.

 

[MaxSteiner]

In terms of what you get in the box Warhammer Fantasy wins hands down. GW is pretty much selling it at subsidised levels in the U.S.A and you get loads in the box!

SST on the other hand it is worth pointing out has some fundamental flaws in the box set.
1) There is in no way an equal amount of points in the box. 20 bugs is about 300 points. The MI on the other hand can go to about 2000 without to much trouble. (I had to get a tanker and a brain bug to balance out the starter for my first games...)
2) The SST rulebook has never even been waved near a proof reader!
3) The MI figures will haunt your dreams, they are so much work compared to anything other than Zvesda fantasy, but as you glue the last one together you will have an enourmas feeling of sattisfaction.
4) Buying the box set isnt nessacerily the best way to get into the game, but its a fairly good start if you intend to play bugs and MI. Id suggest taking a look at Hiros excelent Project card, finding the troop which appeal to you most and plan your purchases around that!

That said it is one of the best games out there, but you really should be aware of these things before buying.

 

[Funkyhamster]

I got the starter box because im not the only person who going to be playing near my house and we just wanted something to try it.
btw thanks for all the info guys i got left over gw stuff so i'll use that until i run out.

 

[banjthulhu]

i went with the starter in hopes of getting a friend to play with me. i personally went arachnids and decided im not going to put the mi together. way to much work for something i wont be using. of course that decision was made after i got glued to the crouching ones crotch...

 

[Mage]

You should assemble them in case you want to teach a friend.

 

[JLS83WARRIOR]

of course that decision was made after i got glued to the crouching ones crotch...

lmao

 

[Xintao]

Just some advice on the starter box.
Yes the MI are a pain to put together, but they give you LOADS of custom poses. Just take your time and you will get them done. Here's what I did:
1 Glue legs to base
2 Glue upper torso to legs
3 Glue head to torso
4 Glue Weapon to right arm
5 Glue Right arm to torso
6 Glue left arm to torso and front of weapon
7 Glue on all the armor pieces and jumppack
Didn't use the face plates.

Sometimes the arm and torso will meet at funny or non flush angles. No problem, a generous helping of Zap-Gap fills the gap nicely and then the shoulder plate covers the rest of the problem. Good luck and welcome aboard.

Cheers, Xin

 

[tneva82]

1) There is in no way an equal amount of points in the box. 20 bugs is about 300 points. The MI on the other hand can go to about 2000 without to much trouble. (I had to get a tanker and a brain bug to balance out the starter for my first games...)

Doesn't mean one cannot have balanced games with full use of models though...Actually the scenario I came up with was bloody hard for MI's to win and they had full 16 models in 2 squads of 8 with full heavy weapon loadout...Bloody hard to advance into escape zone with unlimited number of warriors getting in your way. With constantly narrowing area between reinforcement zones...

3) The MI figures will haunt your dreams, they are so much work compared to anything other than Zvesda fantasy, but as you glue the last one together you will have an enourmas feeling of sattisfaction.

Dunno. Get first 1-2 done and rest goes in easy factory style. Depending of course how experienced you are with modelling in general. If SST is your first experience with wargames then that's more of a problem...But if you have any modeling experience AND have good glue then 1-2 models slowly to get hang of it and then you can do rest in fast factor line

 

[Makoto]

3) The MI figures will haunt your dreams, they are so much work compared to anything other than Zvesda fantasy, but as you glue the last one together you will have an enourmas feeling of sattisfaction.

Have to disagree strongly - they're as "hard" to put together as GW Space Marines. It all depends on whether You had any prior experience w/minis and what glue do You use.

Also, for their assembly I'd suggest slightly different route than Xintao:

1 Glue legs to base
2 Glue Weapon to right arm
3 Glue Right arm to torso
4 Glue left arm to torso and front of weapon
5 Glue torso w/arms to legs
6 Glue head to torso
7 Glue the rest.

Imo this allows slightly better judgement of posing. Also, if You're going to use faceplates (which I strongly encourage to, gives more feeling to the troops ^^) remember to paint faces first.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Im sorry but thats simply not true.
If you want them all in the one or two poses the multi part models are designed to go in, then yes you can put them together pretty quickly, but anything else takes a bit more thought. In addition how many people put the kit together using the wrong type of glue till they discovered plasitweld? Im not saying the kit is impossible am I?
For the record I actually used milliput for all of mine so I could fill the holes smoothly and add some dynamic poses, and although I like the end result having to glue on fiddly little groin guards and peeing around with the stumpy little arm they decided was the one you want loads of isn't something I'd immediately recommend to anyone who isn't forewarned...

Saying they're no harder than a space marine is complete tosh too sorry, but it is, one of the questions directly concerns if they simply clip together, how are the MI as easy to put together as that?!?!? (And they compare pretty poorly with the newer plastics from EE, asside from the fact that the heads actually fit onto their bodies lol)

So why not at least be upfront about it? if the only major problems of the box set are a badly thought out plastic sprue, a complete lack of proofreading and being a bit stingy with the warrior bugs its doing pretty damn well in my book!

 

[tneva82]

Saying they're no harder than a space marine is complete tosh too sorry, but it is, one of the questions directly concerns if they simply clip together, how are the MI as easy to put together as that?!?!?

Out of curiosity how up to date your 40k knowledge is? Because 99% if not more of space marine models do not just clip together. You need glue. You need to separate parts. You need to assemble them...

Only the models in battle of macragge clip together and they aren't by any stretch multi-pose models compared to even say basic tactical space marine box models...

 

[JLS83WARRIOR]

The MI were easy for me to assemble and paint there not that hard if you plan out your pose, but I would not base them until everything was painted, cause when you base them it makes it east to miss parts near the crotch cause of the base.

 

[MaxSteiner]

Saying they're no harder than a space marine is complete tosh too sorry, but it is, one of the questions directly concerns if they simply clip together, how are the MI as easy to put together as that?!?!?

Out of curiosity how up to date your 40k knowledge is? Because 99% if not more of space marine models do not just clip together. You need glue. You need to separate parts. You need to assemble them...

Only the models in battle of macragge clip together and they aren't by any stretch multi-pose models compared to even say basic tactical space marine box models...

Once again I direct you towards the posters question...

Im fairly up to date on the WFB stuff (I still know someone foolish enough to throw GW their money lol), and the last 40k I saw was that battle for Macragee or whatever. In my opinion, for the amount of time it takes to construct an MI I could get just as much possibility out of a clip together marine and a blob of putty.

Fair do's to all the people telling me the kits so easy a blind newborn baby could stick it together, you're hobby gods .
Im just saying I thought it was incredibly time consuming compared to any thing other than Zvesda ring of rule figs.

 

[tneva82]

In my opinion, for the amount of time it takes to construct an MI I could get just as much possibility out of a clip together marine and a blob of putty.

Thing is: Clip together marine's aren't the norm! Normal boxes(the ones 99% marine armies are constructed from...) have heaps of different pieces you have to glue. If anything with introduction of all the extra sprues different amount of pieces has INCREASED.

So yeah. There's clip together marines. Wopedoo. Out of all the marines marine player is going to assemble that's 10. If he's going to play variety chapter like black templars or dark angels he's going to assemble 0 of those for his chapter most likely.

So not exactly fair to compare MI's to those clip together marines...Fair comparison would be to one of the reqular marine boxes because those are what marine players will be assembling busily with their glues.

 

[Goldwyrm]

Fair do's to all the people telling me the kits so easy a blind newborn baby could stick it together, you're hobby gods .

They are so easy a blind newborn baby could stick it together. Thank you I guess. Shouldn't hobby gods get attractive worshippers and daily sacrifices? All I got was grief for not taking out the garbage and mowing the lawn. 8)

 

[Makoto]

Im sorry but thats simply not true.
If you want them all in the one or two poses the multi part models are designed to go in, then yes you can put them together pretty quickly, but anything else takes a bit more thought.

Umm... How much "more thought" exactly? Dry-fit the parts and see how they'll look. Usually that's that, unless You want to bend the arm/leg at a completely different angle, then it takes one extra cut and glueing. That's that. After first 20 or so minis one does it on automatic, so let's not make it look more difficult than it actually is.

Saying they're no harder than a space marine is complete tosh too sorry, but it is, one of the questions directly concerns if they simply clip together, how are the MI as easy to put together as that?!?!?

As it was mentioned clip SM were a Macragge-only slash, and frankly I have yet to see one. And the difference between a regular SM and regular MI boils down to face-, butt-, groin- and thightplates. 5 parts of which only one is slightly tricky in assembly - again, NEVER glue faceplate before painting the face itself, and faceplates are optional. It's not like MI have parts requiring extra attention like WorldEaters backpack bolts, using regular shoulder pads on SM scouts (demands some carefull cutting and application of a little force, but gives neat effect) or correct positioning and sequence of glueing of arms on some tyranid minis!

if the only major problems of the box set are a badly thought out plastic sprue

Well let's not exagerate on this one - little dry-fitting and a minimum of memorising is all that is needed. There aren't all that many parts, at least compared w/ie. Catachan or Cadian infantry boxes.

Fair do's to all the people telling me the kits so easy a blind newborn baby could stick it together, you're hobby gods

No, we merely pay attention to what we do. Not to mention the fact that putting together around 900+ multipart plastics helps too ;p
Actually SST minis are among those most pleasant to assemble for me, especially the Marauders (first vehicles I was able to put together w/no problems basing merely on the drawing on the box ^^ ) although the only Arachnids I put together were the Warriors, so guess the most troublesome ones didn't end up on my desk ^^