Starship Troopers Evolution
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Hang on a mo' here. I have neither insulted an ethical (I made no comments about race at all) nor religious group. I insulted an institution. I have nothing against Muslims (as might be evidenced by my strident protests over the backround of Battlefield Evo and the MEA in particular). I do however think the Council is a joke in the same way I dislike the BNP. Its a political insult. Check your facts lads.
Also if it was a real Frother statement then there would have been at least one reference to Tescos, Steders and a variety of less refined Anglo Saxon words.
Muslim Council are moderate but also slightly too apolagetic.
I hope the Middle Eastern Alliance will be on national lines. I was pointing out though that any non national alliance would be riven by the religious and ethnic divides in the Middle East. If MEA is just a name for what is the current Arab league but with extras it might work though (but to again be pedantic I dont see any seperate or even collective Middle Eastern power able to defeat America conventionally.
Iran is about 10 years away from Plutonium and Uranium bombs/rockets. However should Israel use her nukes she would be censured to such a point by the rest of the world that she would have an untenable rule. Also remember that depending on wind and closeness of enemy forces any nucleur strike could well irradiate and destroy Israel too.
Just a game maybe but something to be careful about.
Also if it was a real Frother statement then there would have been at least one reference to Tescos, Steders and a variety of less refined Anglo Saxon words.
Greg Smith said:
Muslim Council are moderate but also slightly too apolagetic.
I hope the Middle Eastern Alliance will be on national lines. I was pointing out though that any non national alliance would be riven by the religious and ethnic divides in the Middle East. If MEA is just a name for what is the current Arab league but with extras it might work though (but to again be pedantic I dont see any seperate or even collective Middle Eastern power able to defeat America conventionally.
Iran is about 10 years away from Plutonium and Uranium bombs/rockets. However should Israel use her nukes she would be censured to such a point by the rest of the world that she would have an untenable rule. Also remember that depending on wind and closeness of enemy forces any nucleur strike could well irradiate and destroy Israel too.
Just a game maybe but something to be careful about.
Hiromoon said:
Nope because ethnicly the Kurds will continue their terror campaigns (and Iran and Turkey will continue theirs against them). Iran is the one Persian country while the rest are Arab. So Nationalisticly there is trouble with Iran in any MEA. Apolagies if I wasnt clear about all that.
anevilgiraffe
Mongoose
silly question time... habitual lurker and only just registered as I don't think I've seen this mentioned in the 30-odd pages (skimming admittedly), but from my looking at the GOMC1 board, there has been alot of talk/rumour about a new game in the Dredd universe.... does evolution lay any groundwork for this?
Hi
This is my first post and what a time to do it.
What do i think about the changes coming to SST?
I think i will always play SST no matter what
Having said that I do like to paint my own armies (not very well and definatly not up to the standard preposed on the models) but it is MY colour scheme and unique to me
A few questions spring to mind.
I haven't had a chance to read all 37 pages so they might have already been asked If so i'm sorry for repeating them
How will Mongoose maintain QC on the thousands of models that will be coming out?
Will there be any shade difference in differant batchs of the same model type?
Will I be able to add new units to my armies and know the colour scheme will match two years down the line?
Will everybody elses Bug MI skinnies armies now look just the same
I am the only person at my gaming club that has SST armies (Bug and MI) and I am working on getting other members to play. The problem is that most of those how have shown most interest enjoy the painting side just a much as playing
We will have to wait and see if this is the next big thing since sliced bread.
I hope it alls goes well.
Thanks for letting me ramble
Doubleone
P.S sorry about the spelling. Is there a spell checker on this thing?
This is my first post and what a time to do it.
What do i think about the changes coming to SST?
I think i will always play SST no matter what
Having said that I do like to paint my own armies (not very well and definatly not up to the standard preposed on the models) but it is MY colour scheme and unique to me
A few questions spring to mind.
I haven't had a chance to read all 37 pages so they might have already been asked If so i'm sorry for repeating them
How will Mongoose maintain QC on the thousands of models that will be coming out?
Will there be any shade difference in differant batchs of the same model type?
Will I be able to add new units to my armies and know the colour scheme will match two years down the line?
Will everybody elses Bug MI skinnies armies now look just the same
I am the only person at my gaming club that has SST armies (Bug and MI) and I am working on getting other members to play. The problem is that most of those how have shown most interest enjoy the painting side just a much as playing
We will have to wait and see if this is the next big thing since sliced bread.
I hope it alls goes well.
Thanks for letting me ramble
Doubleone
P.S sorry about the spelling. Is there a spell checker on this thing?
xeoran said:
Ah....well, how'd be a break down between the Turks (80% population of Turkey), Persians (51% populations of Iran), and the Kurds (20% population of Turkey, 7% population of Iran, 15-20% population of Iraq)?
Especially since it's only the Kurdish Worker’s Party (Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan or PKK) actions?
Hi Again
Post 2
A mongoose team will be demo-ing SST and B5 at wargamesworkshop on the 21 Oct. Any chance of them bring some of the new painted models with them
Also another thought while doing a 're-work' on the game why not start to include something one the lines of Hiromoons fantasic stat cards as well
Just a thought
Doublone
Post 2
A mongoose team will be demo-ing SST and B5 at wargamesworkshop on the 21 Oct. Any chance of them bring some of the new painted models with them
Also another thought while doing a 're-work' on the game why not start to include something one the lines of Hiromoons fantasic stat cards as well
Just a thought
Doublone
DoubleOne said:
It's been announced that the new versions will contain stat cards in the boxes for every unit, with all the stats and special rules for that unit - thus preventing the need for any future "army books" if and when rules are updated. So yes, they're already going to do that
mthomason said:It's been announced that the new versions will contain stat cards in the boxes for every unit, with all the stats and special rules for that unit - thus preventing the need for any future "army books" if and when rules are updated. So yes, they're already going to do that
Acutally, all the army books for the regular game will be in the rule book that'll be released after the initial boxed sets. The SST:EV is effectively a skirmish game.
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
Jesus Hiro if you're spoiling for a fight at least do it properly you're acting worse then I do :lol:
Is your point that the Kurds make up yet another ethnicaty which would oppose the formation of an MEA?
I really don't mean to play grammer whore either but I might not understand what you're trying to say because of the
bit (I can't get my head round it) and the sentance seems to end mid point, so sorry if it means something completly different!
*shrugs* he says a MEA wouldn't be possible because Arabs, Persians, and Kurds can't get along. I'm just a touch confused as to where Arabs factor into this (namely because there hasn't been any serious clashes between Ethnic Kurds and Arabs in Iraq since the fall of Saddam) since it's the Turks in Turkey that are having an issue with the PKK.
That and I love being confusing.
That and I love being confusing.
Hiromoon said:
Hmm?
Hiromoon said:
Nope, I said each group has issues with each other. Turkey and Persians (Iran) are up against the Kurds (though I'd imagine Turkey is part of Europe by now). Arabs and Persians dont get along. If you really want add the Armenians as another troubling factor. I'm not saying MEA isnt possible, just that I doubt its efficency in the field (or anywhere else).
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
Um.... Hiro there hasn't been much of a clash because last time they recieve no international support and were left them to die. Can't really blame them for lying low (Besides that was less than 20 years, get some perspective dude).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/country_profiles/2893067.stm
Theres a timeline that might help you to revise you're opinion Hiro, thats a powder keg waiting to explode...
Look into what happened prior to the current one as well, there was a massive amount of political wrangling over the use of Turkish airspace and the US's support for the formation of a Kurdish state, as well as what sort of place they would hold in the 'new' Iraq.
The Turks always do something like that with the US. You'd be amazed at how many times that's happened, Max. It's gotten to the point of tradition... they deny us something, we throw money at them, they spend said money on arms at favorable prices from our military-industrial complex, we get to use their bases again. Rinse, Repeat.
And I do have perspective: The Kurds in Northen Iraq had some brief skirmishes with what passed for an insurgency there (one notable picture was a Kurdish leader's car that he was riding in with his children got shot up... yeah, it wasn't pretty), it was delt with, and they're happy as a clam. In 2004 though the PKK declared it's cease-fire with Turkey off, and apparently Turkish armed forces pushed them out of bases in Northern Iraq and into Iran.
Xeoran: Ah, ok...actually, you'll find that Ethnicity gets tossed aside in the Middle East when there's a clear and much stronger force involved. Same with Religion. Remember the Iran-Iraq War? Saddam thought...let's see...he was what? Shia? He thought the Shia would rise up and support his invasion of Iran. Nationalism won out and..well, the rest is that conflict.
Also, if you want to further muddle the waters, Shia and Sunnis don't exactly see eye to eye either, right? (Case in point, murders of Shia in Sunni hospitals and vice-versa).
Anyway, back onto topic now, Matt's mentioned unpainted models as special orders.... What do you folks think? Good idea?
And I do have perspective: The Kurds in Northen Iraq had some brief skirmishes with what passed for an insurgency there (one notable picture was a Kurdish leader's car that he was riding in with his children got shot up... yeah, it wasn't pretty), it was delt with, and they're happy as a clam. In 2004 though the PKK declared it's cease-fire with Turkey off, and apparently Turkish armed forces pushed them out of bases in Northern Iraq and into Iran.
Xeoran: Ah, ok...actually, you'll find that Ethnicity gets tossed aside in the Middle East when there's a clear and much stronger force involved. Same with Religion. Remember the Iran-Iraq War? Saddam thought...let's see...he was what? Shia? He thought the Shia would rise up and support his invasion of Iran. Nationalism won out and..well, the rest is that conflict.
Also, if you want to further muddle the waters, Shia and Sunnis don't exactly see eye to eye either, right? (Case in point, murders of Shia in Sunni hospitals and vice-versa).
Anyway, back onto topic now, Matt's mentioned unpainted models as special orders.... What do you folks think? Good idea?
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
Hiromoon said:
You're missing the point that the Kurds want the Kurdish lands which are part of Turkey and the Turks dont want to give it up, particularly since they just discovered oil there, and thats just the Turks.
And in the quoted passage once again you're making the point Xeoran was trying to make...
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