Starship Troopers Evolution

[Galatea]

Erm... so the Battlefield Evolution models will be prepainted?
I hope the SST Models won't be so.

p.s. It's good to see things are movin' 8)

all new minis will be prepainted.

Argh, then I'll have to spray them and paint them again.
Thanks :?

I fear that will cause many tabletop veterans to stay of the train.
For me, I don't want prepainted minis, really.

(You could make an offer per online shop and basement traders to get unpainted minis, that would be a good compromise)

 

[Goose64666]

Erm... so the Battlefield Evolution models will be prepainted?
I hope the SST Models won't be so.

p.s. It's good to see things are movin' 8)

all new minis will be prepainted.

Argh, then I'll have to spray them and paint them again.
Thanks :?

it's the same like

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars

and has nothing more to do with tabletop!

 

[mthomason]

Argh, then I'll have to spray them and paint them again.
Thanks :?

After the negative comments about prepaints, it's nice to see someone taking an active approach

I'll be repainting some figures, using others out of the box. I'd *like* to repaint everything, but doubt I'll have the time. This way I have something to game with while I work on repainting the more important minis, and there's no reason why I can't go back and do the lot later if I have the time. To be honest, I see zero downside to it other than the minis will not have a nice hefty weight to them (and that can be fixed too).

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

3. I would like to know the state of the Fourth? Are they going to be produced and be out soon, or are they going on the back burner with the new game?

matt mentioned the forth will be availible for the relaunch

 

[MongooseMatt]

1. BF evolutions sounds distinctly like a well know first person shooter, is it the same line?
If it is, what are the chances of upgrading the MI program. I will wholeheartedly support the endevor, and would as well like the opportunity of playing this game for the Demo program. Please elaborate on the current state of affairs within the program.

It has nothing to do with the shooter, aside from a core of subject material. Our game is focussed more on platoon scale actions (can be scaled up to company or even battalion scale), and has a wider spectrum of technology. Also, no one is going to TK you for aircraft

2. With the advent of the SST evolution, what are you doing to aleviate the fears, and get LGS's on board?
My current shop is overtly hostile to SST, and after my last try with trying to play a game of SST there, I found that the reception of my working on my mini's there to drum up even less intrest, and turn into a " Warmachine is the shiznit" conversation.

There will be a programme of love going on for retailers in the run up to release, with samples, demo teams, and above all, information on the new game. To an extent, we are going to let the miniatures do the talking. However, this is also why we are releasing BF Evo first - retailers will have a chance to see how the concept works before buying into SST.

3. I would like to know the state of the Fourth? Are they going to be produced and be out soon, or are they going on the back burner with the new game?

With the new game - however, they will be one of the first armies released.

4. I see alot of fear with the new release of the game, and one thing I would like to ask is availability.
Will we have to worry about the stocks falling by the wayside of earlier releases, as with heroclicks, or ccg's or will there be a good supply of your product not falling to the wayside, for " new and improved" versions?

There should be good stocks. However, we are deliberatly aiming at relatively low runs for the first box sets (we never bet the whole house on anything here at Mongoose ), based on distributor interest. From experience, I can tell you that distributor interest will initially be too low, creating a shortage in the supply chain during the first month.

Always happens

 

[mthomason]

(You could make an offer per online shop and basement traders to get unpainted minis, that would be a good compromise)

I believe Matthew has stated all the current unpainted minis will still be available for those that prefer them.

 

[MongooseMatt]

GIVE ME MY SLINGSHOT MATT. GIVE IT TO ME.

I am quite happy for you guys to decide this, actually - TAC fighter or Slingshot first?

*Recommend this goes to another thread*

Actually, I can foresee this happening quite a lot with the new lines, players deciding which models should be produced and when. . .

 

[Voronesh]

Actually I should be happy about prepainted figs. I neither have much time for painting, and painting well, its even more timeconsuming.


But Im not...... Somehow i still like the fact, that i paint stuff myself, partly because i always end up with a totally different paint scheme than the official stuff has, partly because i think its part of the hobby to paint stuff yourself.

Call me oldfashioned, but i always looked on prepainted stuff as kids toys, i might have to revise that opinion.

Plus are the models supplied assembled? I think, so because it is mentioned that the models are viewable through a plastic patch in the box, plus glue lines on painted models isnt so good. Thatd be a minus for me too, cause i just like to do different poses and use greenstuff a little.


Overall it looks great. Thumbs up to that. I gotta see about the prepainted stuff....... :S

 

[Galatea]

I believe Matthew has stated all the current unpainted minis will still be available for those that prefer them.

That'll be good and going both ways would be the perfect compromise to reach all types of players.
It would make everybody happy, so I hope the will go this Duplicity.

 

[Alexb83]

I'm not against pre-painted minis. More often than not, painting is a chore for me whereas the gaming is the fun part. Pre-painted models cut out that sometime chore (46 LAMI? Fun to start, but quickly boring to paint!) and let you get to the gaming.

But yes, I am concerned about the bundling of things in boxes - will individual models/poses be available on the online store or from retailers? That being said, will it be possible to get early, stripped down releases of some of the new models out at a lower cost?

I.e. unpainted, un'carded' models from the new line, so that we can use them with the existing rules. 8 months really is a long wait, considering what's already lacking with the existing game in terms of rules without models, it would be really nice to have something that fills that 8 month void as opposed to just making do. Presumably packaging and developing the cards takes up time, whilst the models are already finalised.

 

[Alexb83]

(You could make an offer per online shop and basement traders to get unpainted minis, that would be a good compromise)

I believe Matthew has stated all the current unpainted minis will still be available for those that prefer them.

I think Galatea, like me, is more interested in the prospect of unpainted models from the new line. If that's a nono, I'd settle for say... individual models, like a CAP trooper with Javelin to fill out weapon options and so on. Unless it turns out that a new CAP squad doesn't have weapon 'options' but a fixed loadout. This is what I'm more concerned about...

Or, as with the existing box sets, do we get weapon options and the ability to bits-order the models which may be lacking in the boxed sets?

 

[mthomason]

it would be really nice to have something that fills that 8 month void as opposed to just making do. Presumably packaging and developing the cards takes up time, whilst the models are already finalised.

You could always take a look at BF: Evo a little earlier than the new SST models - especially as the two can work together: You could play some campaigns based around the idea that the current-day (or near future) military visits alien worlds through the use of some strange device...

 

[mthomason]

I think Galatea, like me, is more interested in the prospect of unpainted models from the new line. If that's a nono, I'd settle for say... individual models, like a CAP trooper with Javelin to fill out weapon options and so on. Unless it turns out that a new CAP squad doesn't have weapon 'options' but a fixed loadout. This is what I'm more concerned about...

Or, as with the existing box sets, do we get weapon options and the ability to bits-order the models which may be lacking in the boxed sets?

I'd really like to see the individual models available, to fill out the extra troop/weapon options. Lets hope that happens, as it would solve a lot of problems, but otherwise I can envisage quite a few people breaking up boxes and selling the minis on eBay.

It's probably cheaper to just pick up the unpainted sprues/minis and snip the bits you want for conversions, though (conversions are always fun)

As for newer models unpainted, I have a feeling the manufacturing process costs so little that unpainted models wouldn't come out any cheaper (and probably more expensive once you factor in the additional cost for ordering them as individual parts), so you might as well repaint over them (As I spend more time thinking about it, I quite like the idea of using the prepaint as a "base coat" and then adding detail on top rather than doing them completely from scratch).

 

[Tallen]

Suicide bombers anyone?



Oh, and let's see that poll on TAC vs. Slingshot - I know I really want to get my hands on the dropship.

 

[Poko]

or the classic: aliens land, we'r screwed, but a few heroes save the world. in fact, you could(if mr. Sprange is ritgh) have a normal ..say, French tank unit, and a squad of MI as a "prototypes" against bugs,right?

 

[mthomason]

Suicide bombers anyone?

I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to ask that

 

[Rob_A]

I'm happy, as long as you can get unpainted ones as well, for cheaper. I'd hate to see people stop painting minis. I might buy some of the larger forces pre-painted.

 

[mthomason]

or the classic: aliens land, we'r screwed, but a few heroes save the world. in fact, you could(if mr. Sprange is ritgh) have a normal ..say, French tank unit, and a squad of MI as a "prototypes" against bugs,right?

That should work nicely. With or without the M.I.

 

[Galatea]

I don't wanna have unpainted parts I just wanna have the whole sprue.
No one should take his fingers on that sprue - it has worked till now, why shouldn't it work in the future?
Don't assemble the thing, don't cut the parts out, just give me the damn sprue - is that so hard?

With offer solely pre-painted minis you'll kill the about 50% of what the Tabletop stands for.
It's both (converting,) painting and playing. Only in this mutual you can call it tabletop.
Otherwise it's just a board game, like BM Dark Age or HeroClix.

What I have seen in other (non-SST-) Forums was primary "Look how nice I have painted my Bugs, I'm so proud of them" or "how should I paint my MI, do you have any suggestions to me".
Taking out painting will reduce SST to just playing, and also reduce the amount it is talked about in other forums by about 95%.


And at least (and most important) it's a philosophical thing to me. Once you have painted a damn fat 3000p Bug Army you are BOUND to like it as you have invested such time in making it the precious jem it is by now.

When you just pack it out and play with this per-painted stuff your army is not really 'yours', it doesn't really BELONG to you, there is not that strong emotional link as between you and all those little critters you spend hours of work to make them look oh so sweet.

THAT is why I want the dang sprues.

 

[emperorpenguin]

Matt, what of the long-anticipated dropships? Have they been killed?

Absolutely not - flying units will be front and centre in the new releases, starting with the TAC Fighter and the Skinnies' Starlight Speeder. . .

Starlight Speeder! I want!