Starship Troopers Evolution

[KeithMc]

I'm not convinced I'm afraid.

All of these promises rest on the premis that a whole new quality in pre-painted miniatures can be produced. I've had more than enough troubles with miscast/missing parts in previous Starship Trooper kits that I'm not going to start celebrating just yet.

Added to this I've had difficulties getting missing/miscast parts replaced in the past which makes me very leary of buying into it (I only just received some pathfinder heads that I had sent back as miscast in Febuary). Mongoose needs to look at its customer service department. For most people it seems to work fine but some problems seem to get lost between the cracks at which time its a nightmare to get them sorted out. Standing by your product after its been bought and found defective is vital.

I'm hoping this will work out for the best - it sounds like Mongoose is working with some new companies so hopefully they will be able to deliver the quality (and more specifically Quality Control) that this venture will need to succeed.

I'll probably just lurk here for a few months and make up my mind when I actually see some of the final figures. At least if all the boxes will have a window where you can have a look at exactly what your buying it should cut down on the chances of getting a dud.

I'm wishing Mongoose the best with this but I'm not going to place any bets on it,
Keith Mc

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

The thing is, its a sort of 'double' quality control. The painter KNOWS what he (or she) is painting is supposed to look like, so you instantly have a 'second layer' of quality control surely.

Also, if the QC was shite, putting then in see through packaging (as you said) adds a another layer of QC.

 

[daggers]

there has been some debate here about pre-painted verse own painted.

On a personnel note, I know I'm no great painter and fortunately I have a wonderful wife who is a great painter.

What I have seen in our local club is the development and growth in games such as Hero clix and Mechwarrior. All of which come with pre painted figures and fast play rules.
This has brought a good number of people into the hobby that might otherwise been lost.
The fact they don't have to buy / assemble and then paint figures to get started is a bonus to them.

Some of these are now showing an interest in other games which can only be an advantage to the hobby in general.
I guess what I am trying to say is, if it brings more people into the hobby surely that is a good thing, and if what I've read is correct, there is still going to be the option to buy unassembled / unpainted sprues for those of us who like modifications etc? 8)

 

[emperorpenguin]

Well I was talking to my brother about the news this morning and he's impressed, being one of the "lazy" gamers he never gets around to painting his stuff. The idea of pre-painted Forth is great to him!

I think for historical stuff too it'd be great, after all it's not as if one guy's Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler army will be painted differently to another, the possibilities......

 

[Galatea]

Well, you can't have them (at the moment)!

Oh yes. I get them with every Warrior Pack I buy.
2 Warriors per sprue, exactly.


I also think it is GOOD to bring out pre-painted models.
But only if there are unpainted and anassembled still available (at Mongoose and their basement traders in other countries).

As I said it would be the perfect way to include all types of players in the game selling both the sprues and the assembled perpainted minis.

 

[zlatan]

i think its a bad idea 8-10 months wait i think mongoose has lost one of its customers i think ill go and start epic that looks cool

 

[Rob_A]

I'm sure both will be available. Im also sure that a lot of minis will not be available painted.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Well, you can't have them (at the moment)!

Oh yes. I get them with every Warrior Pack I buy.
2 Warriors per sprue, exactly.


I also think it is GOOD to bring out pre-painted models.
But only if there are unpainted and anassembled still available (at Mongoose and their basement traders in other countries).

As I said it would be the perfect way to include all types of players in the game selling both the sprues and the assembled perpainted minis.

Which they've said they're doing - All currently availible minis will still be availible.

You may not be able to get the new ones though.

 

[emperorpenguin]

i think its a bad idea 8-10 months wait i think mongoose has lost one of its customers i think ill go and start epic that looks cool

good luck with that! GW is unlikely to do anything with that in 8 years never mind 8 months!

 

[MongooseMatt]

i think its a bad idea 8-10 months wait i think mongoose has lost one of its customers i think ill go and start epic that looks cool

That is fine, of course - what we are hoping to do is tempt you back in those 8-10 months. . .

 

[zlatan]

yes but why not release the aircraft this year you will make many customers very happy

 

[127th Angry Angels]

It's difficult to tell how this will work untill we see on the table. I think it's worth waiting for to give it a shot, Matt has made some great re-assurances over quality, rules and schedule keeping which are issues we've all voiced opinions on previously.

Slightly off topic, i would like to say thanks to Matt for being available to answer all the questions ppl have had and in some cases defend desicions. Not only is that great customer service but (in my opinion) demonstrates some passion for the product and it's future from Matt (and the team). It would have been easy to issue a statement and hide, this Q & A thread has been very refreshing in it's honesty about a massive issue.

Lets hope it's all it can be.

Cheers,

 

[Aniyn]

God, give it up on the aircraft already....

 

[MongooseMatt]

yes but why not release the aircraft this year you will make many customers very happy

We could - but they would not be of the standard we know is now possible. So, do we release something 'okay' now, or wait just a few months and release something that is out of this world?

Put another way. We could release a multi-part kit of the type you are familiar for X Dollars. How would you feel if, a few months after, we released a model that was of better quality _and_ pre-painted that cost less than X?

 

[tneva82]

i think its a bad idea 8-10 months wait i think mongoose has lost one of its customers i think ill go and start epic that looks cool

Which in turn has zero support...Great game, non-existant support.

Look what GW has in online store. That's what there's going to be on sale for epic. Forever.

 

[zlatan]

ah good point it cause i wanted to ship loads in for christmas just have to hold it off for a couple of months but i will definitly be purchasing the battlefield evolution that sounds really kool is it 28 mm scale

 

[zlatan]

yes but epic looks so cool

 

[Don_Silvarro]

Well, I'd say: whatever.

The rules update is surely a good thing, as is the Essential Updates book. A really great thing if they'll be available online and in S&P.

As for the new prepaint minis, I don't really care. It's great that you will be able to order the standard models as well as buy the prepaints. I will definetly stick to gluing and painting my miniatures myself, and if those prepaints will actually be that easy to repaint, then huzzah, I can't wait for a Hopper resculpt. If not, I'll just paint up the older models. Not really an issue here. Unless of course the new races will be prepaint only, then it'll be a real bummer if the repainting won't be as an easy task as it is said. But if everything works out well (and as far as I know if Mongoose says that something will work, it will - they keep their promises, unlike some other companies), no problem here.

As a general view, I think it's a really great path to take for Mongoose. The prepinted models will surely satisfy everyone who don't have the patience and/or skill for painting and still want to play. It will also attract new players to the hobby (on our local Polish forum, a number of people already declared that they will start playing as soon as the prepaints come out). The great thing is that Mongoose supports both types of players ('painters' and 'non-painters') by still having the old minis for sale.

As for the quality of the models I can say only: :shock: wow :shock:
I've never seen prepainted models look that good. Coupled by the fact that they're real plastic, not those s**t rubber-like things made for D&D or Star Wars, I view the whole project as very, very ambitious and revolutionary.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

yes but epic looks so cool

google dirtside II. much better rules sytem (and also free) and no official minis, so you can make your own army.

 

[Rob_A]

yes but why not release the aircraft this year you will make many customers very happy

We could - but they would not be of the standard we know is now possible. So, do we release something 'okay' now, or wait just a few months and release something that is out of this world?

Put another way. We could release a multi-part kit of the type you are familiar for X Dollars. How would you feel if, a few months after, we released a model that was of better quality _and_ pre-painted that cost less than X?

Please consider selling an unpainted version. I know you could just paint over the pre-painted bit.