stargate mod????

[Ulkesh]

The Ori have fighters and Assault ships I think as well, not that they need them really - they could intimidate the Shadows/Vorlons/Ancients!

Not sure if stats for the Replicators would make sense - but would be interesting to try. :shock:

Go'auld have several space stations - as do those who use their Tech - plus others could use Tokra as allies with some of their ships

Earth has a few Jumpers (aux craft) with very high Stealth! as would the Ancients

Nox - no idea - not sure if they are still in the show? :?:

Anubis had his ultra hard ship with its death beam

Ancients: Cityship like Atlantis have been seen, Puddle Jumpers are also present which have been referred to as Gateships. There are at least two forms of capital ships one being the Orion and the Aurora. Another one was seen in the episode Progeny in season 3 of Atlantis which shows an Ancient ship with a different engine configuration compared to the Aurora/Orion class. This unknown class also looked quite big. Of course there is also the huge weapon satellite seen in season 1 as well of Atlantis.

Spoiler ahead for season 3 so back off if you havent seen it. There is the artificial replicator race kown as the Asurans who would make a better 'player' option then the uber Replicators. They use only Ancient designs I think but we havent seen there fleet only that they had access to some ships and a cityship.

Goa'uld: well there are Death Gliders, those Ring Gliders which were shown in one episode, the Ha'tak, Tel'tac cargo ships, Al'kesh gunships, the supership used by Apophis and Anubis's supership as well. There was that prototype warship Apophis was making but it was under construction and we never saw it in operation. Ra's starship in the movie was also a different design which was only a flying pyramid, Her-ur used this ship which was actually showing the movie scene again so thats a possible ship. And of course the Summit battlestation you mentioned.

Lucian Alliance, Free Jaffa and Tok'ra would use the Goa'uld designs I would imagine.

Wraith: We have seen the huge Hiveships which some say are about 11km's long. There are the smaller cruisers, the ancient discontinued supply ships and the scout ship / transport. Of course there are also the darts.

Ori: Well they have only fighters and the battleship design though the battleship could be made in two variants one being a carrier and another being a pure battleship.

Asgard: There is the Beliskner used by Thor originally then replaced by the O'Niell class. There is also the Daniel Jackson science ships. They had there Asgard transporters that beamed off Jaffa on one of the protected planets so this transporter could possibly be an interceptor?

Tau'ri/Earth: There is the F-302 interceptor, BC-303 Prometheus and the Daedalus or Odyssey had something on the wall calling it a DSC-304 battle cruiser. There is of course possible access to captured Ha'Taks and salvaged Ancient Ships. Access to railguns, different types of missile warheads such as the Mark III, Mark V, Mark VIII and Mark IX bombs (I suggest to consult wikipedia on Tau'ri technology for more).

Nox have never appeared again since that episode where there was a trial known as Triad on the Tollan homeworld.

 

[Commador Q]

when did they show or'i fighters?
i must have missed that. anyway i think the or'i are the exception to the "they must have more classes than we've seen" rule. because the or'i ships were designed by ascended beings and built by a civilization that wasn't capable of space travel on their own, there is no reason to assume that there were more classes. Usually multiple classes of ships result from the fact that ships take a long time to build and technology advances during the construction process and service life of the ship.

 

[Bubbalo]

Not so! Different classes serve different purposes: i.e. light, fast ships for intercepting, ships with fast tracking light weaponry for anti-fighter escort duties, ships with big guns for shelling planets, ships with big hangars for..........uh.........storage.

Having said that, the Ori probably do only have the one battleship and one fighter. Why bother with multiple classes when any one of your ships and outclass any other in any area?

 

[Locutus9956]

Well tbh I dont see numbers of ships being an issue really. The BSG mod works quite well and theres even LESS ships for that.

On a related note though Ive done Full Thrust ships for BSG and if I was going to to go for a Stargate Mod Id be inclined to use that system there too.

Its not that I dont like ACTA, far from it, its just that the nature of the Full Thrust system lends itself to mods far more readily. Also, frankly, fighters in ACTA have never really been quite right imho. They feel too much like BSG fighters, which in BSG was fine as you could launch them over and over when they got 'shot down' but as one offs in ACTA they just suck. Yes I've heard the usual 'they can gank weak hull ships' 'they can get lucky crits' rhetoric but HONESTLY when was the last time you were actually SCARED of enemy fighters?

Stargate fighters and BSG fighters are both HUGE threats to capital ships and the ACTA system just doesnt do them justice imho (I dont even think the Star Wars mod quite gets it tbh but its an improvement at least). Full Thrust on the other hand does fighters WELL.

ACTA is a good system for FLEET battles, lots of big ships slugging away at each other with escort ships nipping around, the kind of scale of battle where its OK for fighters to kind of fade into the background. BSG and Stargate rarely have engagements on that kind of scale hence it doesnt lend itself as well.

The MAIN issue I can see though is simply the lack of miniatures, yes Scratchbuilding is certainly plausible and indeed Im fairly sure I could even do so myself for some of the ships if I actually sat down and put the time and effort in, but simply put I dont have the time or patience at the moment. If someone could show me a decent range of Stargatey ship minis though Id make a mod so fast your head would spin

 

[Traveller-61]

If someone could show me a decent range of Stargatey ship minis though Id make a mod so fast your head would spin

Well you could try Studio Bergstrom for their Pharoh Station which bears a more than passing resemblance to a Ha'Tak, and Brigade Models: American Republic fleet has some Asgard-ish ships.

Not perfect fits for SG1 but a good palce to start!

DW

PS Nice to find another FT fan around
ACTA is a great game but it is a lot easier to do conversions in FT

 

[Locutus9956]

Well I use the Begstrom ships for BSG but tbh Im not very impressed with the 'Not a Ha'Tak, honest guv' mini as it looks to me to be rather small and undetailed.

Deathgliders are easy to do though (Sentris or Raziks).

For Asgaurd Id be more tempted to use Forgeworld Tau BSG minis as my starting point but really what I want is a good 303 and 304 mini (Im sure I could find some fighters that would make good 302s fairly easily)

The other big one though would be wraith ships. Atlantis would imho lend itself far better to a space combat mod than SG-1 as, quite simply theres more space combat!

 

[Greg Smith]

when did they show or'i fighters?

In the episode where SG1 attempt to cloak a village from the Ori and in fact only cloak a single building. Sam is injured in the attack, Teal'c and Vala captured by Vala's former husband.

We see small Ori ships that drop beaming platforms that then beam down Ori troops. They may not be fighters pre se, merely assault craft.

 

[Locutus9956]

We also see Ori fighters engaging Jaffa deathgliders in an earlier episode (cant remember which one but its early in Season 10).

Im not too keen to put the Ori into a wargame anyway though as frankly their rules should be along the lines of 'immune to damage and if they shoot one of your ships it exlodes', doesnt really make for a good game imho

Really I think the 4 fleets that should be worked on initially are:

Stargate Command - Prometheus (303), Deadalus (304), F302s, Jumpers, Aurora class ancient Warships (one or two salvaged ones MAYBE)

Goa'Uld/Jaffa - Ha'Taks, Ra's Pyramid mothership (from the original movie, Anubis Mothership, Apophis Mothership, Alkesh, Cargo ship, Gliders

Wraith - Hiveship, Cruiser, Darts, Transports

Asguard - Belerafon (Thors original ship), Oniell Class, Daniel Jackson Class, small scout (Lokis ship)

 

[Bubbalo]

On a semi-related topic: does it seem odd to anyone else that the Asgard, who are ancients like the Ancients aren't as powerful as the Ori, who are about as old?

 

[Ulkesh]

Asguard - Belerafon

Its Beliskner

On a semi-related topic: does it seem odd to anyone else that the Asgard, who are ancients like the Ancients aren't as powerful as the Ori, who are about as old?

Its been shown that the Asgard are no where the age that the Ancients were and could possibly be the youngest of the alliance members. They have mentioned that they found an Ancient Repository of Knowledge but they barely cracked the surface and we have seen on the show that the Asgard used sublight technology several thousand years ago. Also to be fair, it was only one Asgard ship versus four Ori ships in the battle.

The first episode Ori Fighters appeared as when they massacred Jaffa death gliders and Al'keshs which was in Flesh and Blood, the starter episode for season 10. The other episode is Line in the Sand as already mentioned.

 

[Locutus9956]

Actually your wrong there though: Consider this.

The most advanced Ancient tech around (Atlantis, the Aurora class ships, drones etc) is all the tech advanced to the point the ancients got to BEFORE they ascended. After that they took no further part in galactic afairs (well not much anyway )

The Ori on the otherhand built their fleet with the knowledge they have AFTER they ascended, making them insanely advanced.

And besides, just because the Asgard are as old as the ancients (and it not clear if they were, the original 4 ancient allies need not have all been the same age) doesnt mean they advanced in the same way, Asgard are clearly very good at cloning etc and shields and propulsion but the ancients seem to have been FAR more advanced where weapons are concerened.

But for me it all comes back to the fact that the Ori use the knowledge they gained after ascending to advance the tech of their followers way past where the ancients/asgard etc were at.

 

[Locutus9956]

Asguard - Belerafon

Its Beliskner

Thats the one! Beliskner, Baleraphon, its all a bunch of tree hugging hippie crap [/quote]

 

[Silvereye]

Yes I've heard the usual 'they can gank weak hull ships' 'they can get lucky crits' rhetoric but HONESTLY when was the last time you were actually SCARED of enemy fighters?

When playing with the original, unrevised rules. Lots of fighters with Precise....

 

[captainsmirk]

Thats the one! Beliskner, Baleraphon, its all a bunch of tree hugging hippie crap

[/quote]

Apart from one's Greek and the other is Norse?




Nick

 

[Morgoth]

Can someone post a link so I can actually see what all these different ships look like, as I only remember a couple of them. Is any one going to stat the ships up?

 

[Locutus9956]

As I said before, I will happily do FT versions but dont think ACTA is really the right system for it at the moment. And in all honesty even the original precice fighters never worried me THAT much.

 

[Da Boss]

Hmm well White star fighters are pretty scary after seeing them pretty much wipe out a Shadow squadron recently with very little losses. Plus they are hard to kill in dogfights - insane if a WS carrier on the table (+5 dogfight anyone)

Ori - difficult - your description 'immune to damage and if they shoot one of your ships it exlodes'
seems to be how the Vorlons were in the B5 show and they are in ACTA?

 

[Locutus9956]

Well for starters we see shadows and Vorlons destroyed on numerous occasions. With standard weapons fire (admittedly alot of it....).

Thusfar in SG-1 no weapons belonging to ANY race have even scratched an Ori ship (though the crew was killed by an ancient weapon).

Secondly, the Vorlons and Shadows in ACTA are hugely underpowered in many peoples oppinions (in their current version theyre not bad but in all honesty I dont think they SHOULD be a fair tournament race, they should indeed be horrifically powerful to the point where they shouldnt be allowed in tournaments)

 

[Shadow Queen]

when did they show or'i fighters?

In the episode where SG1 attempt to cloak a village from the Ori and in fact only cloak a single building. Sam is injured in the attack, Teal'c and Vala captured by Vala's former husband.

We see small Ori ships that drop beaming platforms that then beam down Ori troops. They may not be fighters pre se, merely assault craft.

Vala is still married to him

 

[Locutus9956]

Assuming he wasnt executed immediately after that episode....