Starfury question

[Target]

Don't have my fleet book with me so
Can Early era EA swap aurora starfurys for the ones already aboard ships for free.
It seems a little odd if you can cause Aurora is better than than the Nova Starfury & only odd times you would use a Tiger over it as well ( due to it having range 4 weapon).

 

[Admiral Phlop]

The fleet book has written, "Any ship carrying one or more Starfury flights may replace all of them for any other type of Starfury, so long as you obey the In Service date of the scenario or campaign being played." Hope this helps.

 

[Ripple]

There was always been an issue with swapping fighters where you could get better ones for free (and even a few weirder instances where you couldn't get a worse one.)

It's actually a really bad rule, much like the VP's per flight for purchased wings. ACtA has never really gotten a rules grasp on how to handle fighters as part fleet selection options.

Ripple

 

[Tolwyn]

At least the Tiger and Nova will only see battle in scenarios with an ISD set before the development of the Aurora or theme fleets.

A 4th EA Fleet perhaps someting like "Early expansion Era" or "Dilgar War Era" which exclusivly uses those fighterts would be cool as an addition via S&P.

 

[Triggy]

Hadn't noticed that Early Years EA could still change them out. Really don't like that rule then!

 

[Tank]

Well unless the EA is splintered yet again the rule for the Aurora's makes sense.

 

[greenboy]

Hadn't noticed that Early Years EA could still change them out. Really don't like that rule then!

I agree the nova starfury was built for the nova drednought but the inservice dates are a bit weird would have liked to see aurora starfurys restricted to the third age

 

[Frohike]

The problem is that the Early EA fleet is intended to cover off the Dilgar War (where Tigers and Novas were used) and the Minbari War (where Auroras were used).

Ultimately the swapping out of fighers and the issues associated with it is a classic example of a problem with the PL system IMHO.

 

[greenboy]

The problem is that the Early EA fleet is intended to cover off the Dilgar War (where Tigers and Novas were used) and the Minbari War (where Auroras were used).

Ultimately the swapping out of fighers and the issues associated with it is a classic example of a problem with the PL system IMHO.

I suppose you could add up the the value of ships in the fleet and the pay teh difference for the upgrade. This is especial important in campaigns where you can strip fighters from ships to make up independant wings can this be done with craft in huge hangers for the drahk ?

 

[Trotsky]

Or even better, play as Psi Corp, take an Early Era avenger, and swap all the flights on it for Black Omega Starfuries. I mean the Early Era rule says "Any ship carrying one or more Starfury flights may replace all of them for any other type of Starfury, so long as you obey the In Service date of the scenario or campaign being played" and, as I understand it, ships from an allied fleet use the allies special rules so this is completely legal, fair, and balanced. :wink: :roll:


Only slightly more seriously, since Aurora's and T-bolts aren't part of the Psi Corp list, what happens if I need to replace only two of them in a campaign, but already have my full 2 points of battle filled? Technically I can't buy an extra wing of fighters, even if it turns into a partial wing, as that gives me more than 2 battle points of allies.

 

[No. 1 Bear]

I would have to say that is reading the rules in a way i have never seen before. I bet the call of wrong would be said in any game played.

 

[Bostich]

Yes, that is capital 'G' Gamey.

 

[Trotsky]

I would have to say that is reading the rules in a way i have never seen before. I bet the call of wrong would be said in any game played.

Oh, it's completely wrong according to anything resembling common sense and decency. I was, for the most part, being silly and, for the lesser part, drawing a parallel with being able to switch out the Nova Starfury for an Aurora, as it is a similar concept taken far to the extreme.

The second half of my post was just asinine rules-lawyering and would never come up amongst any people you would actually WANT to play a campaign with.

 

[Taran]

I can't see any reason NOT to take the Aurora in an Early Years fleet.

If the ISDs allow it, then why handicap yourself that badly?

 

[Tolwyn]

Mhm, I would definitly support a 4th EA Fleet list which covers the Dilgar War and the years before it (Ch'Lonas and Koulani incidents). WHich would make sense as the Tiger and Nova were phased out in favour of the Aurora.

 

[Justicar]

I'm new to ACTA and B5 in general, so forgive the questions...

My local gaming club is doing its own version of the big Earth-Centauri War thing, following all the rules. My understanding is that this war is hypothetical (a possible future), and that it occurs some time after 2271 (after "The Lost Tales: Voices in the Dark").

The fleet book has written, "Any ship carrying one or more Starfury flights may replace all of them for any other type of Starfury, so long as you obey the In Service date of the scenario or campaign being played." Hope this helps.

Does this mean that I could take a Poseidon and upgrade all 24 Aurora flights to Firebolt flights, which are available in 2268+, for free? On the one hand that seems like a big upgrade for free. On the other it seems to make a certain amount of sense that a 34+ year old fighter like the Aurora (entered service 2237), would get upgraded by now.

So if the rule is that I *can* do that, does that make me a Greater Bearded Git for doing so?

 

[nekomata fuyu]

I might be tempted to use that clause to fix the issue whereby a fleet carrier can recover Auroras being piloted by mundanes, but not Auroras being piloted by teeps...

 

[Greg Smith]

My understanding is that this war is hypothetical (a possible future), and that it occurs some time after 2271 (after "The Lost Tales: Voices in the Dark").

Yes.

The fleet book has written, "Any ship carrying one or more Starfury flights may replace all of them for any other type of Starfury, so long as you obey the In Service date of the scenario or campaign being played." Hope this helps.

Does this mean that I could take a Poseidon and upgrade all 24 Aurora flights to Firebolt flights, which are available in 2268+, for free?

The rule Admiral Phlop is quoting is from the Early Years Earth fleet. The Third Age and Crusade Era fleets (the ones which include the Poseidon) state 'Any ship carrying one or more Starfury flights may replace any of them for Badgers, Thunderbolts or Breaching Pods.' So no, you have to pay for Firebolts.

On the other it seems to make a certain amount of sense that a 34+ year old fighter like the Aurora (entered service 2237), would get upgraded by now.

It does, but the Starfury is clearly still in operation during Lost Tales.

 

[Iain McGhee]

Maybe the Psi Corps don't want anyone to get too good a look at their fighters :wink:

More seriously, they might be exceptions on purpose as they are already have a similar ability to the Fleet Carrier recover fighters rule with their dodge reroll.

Getting free upgrades (generally ) for fighters doesn't really bother me that much as long as you stick to the ISDs. After all, the further along the timeline you go the more powerful the ships available and most later ships are well-protected from fighter attack (not to mention that some opposing fleets may well get upgraded fighters too). A Poseidon full of Firebolts does seem a bit sick, mind

Slightly off-topic, the Starfuries in The Lost Tales don't seem to be the standard Auroras. They apparently have "Omega-grade torpedoes" and have 2 sets of pulse cannon (check out Sheridan's second "dream") as well as artificial gravity (no harnesses).

 

[Guchi]

Well if Novas were upgraded to Aurora's the need for a superiority dogfighter upgrade with later technology on the same hull makes perfect sense.

Firebolt upgrade is effectively a field upgrade for the thunderbolt (or at least it feels that way), so a late upgrade for the Aurora makes perfect sense.

In this case the existing two sets of cannons (which have been mentioned previously) could not be used at the same time on the Aurora, this has been solved (upgraded power supply?) and torpedoes have been added (presumably for an anti shipping weapon upgrade) along with limited anti grav.

Either that or the thunderbolts missles should be called torpedoes and they decided to use the Aurora model of star fury in cgi since it shows people better due to the standing position (easier to film on green screen as well I should think!)