Star trek Era and A call to Arms
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Presumably its similar to modern day that in times of relative peace - obsolete warships are sold to friendly powers (even if they later turn out to be less than friendly) or even currrent warships can be sold if there is financial problems within that Empire - again like modern day.
I don't know if in the SFU it ever gets to the point where several Empires try to club together to buy major capital warships as I believe we were going to do with the French (!?!). Allied races in the B5 universe also collaborated on large scale projects like the Brivoki again similar to modern ventures like the Eurofighter or the Tornado.
Do any Empires build other Empires ships under licence?
On a related note is there a simple chart of alliegences/political status in the period that the ACTA:ST is set as most of us are more familiar with Original Series and Next gen power blocs. Although like those I imagine these alliiance shift and change over time, a general overlay would be good.
Does SFB (etc) have rules for fighting with allied fleets - again previous ACTA has allowed this but normally having penalties (usually to iniaitive) to represent different command styles, communication issues and sheer bloodmindedness of Captains.
I am guessing the Klingons and the Romulans are allies of convenience more than strongly linked?
I don't know if in the SFU it ever gets to the point where several Empires try to club together to buy major capital warships as I believe we were going to do with the French (!?!). Allied races in the B5 universe also collaborated on large scale projects like the Brivoki again similar to modern ventures like the Eurofighter or the Tornado.
Do any Empires build other Empires ships under licence?
On a related note is there a simple chart of alliegences/political status in the period that the ACTA:ST is set as most of us are more familiar with Original Series and Next gen power blocs. Although like those I imagine these alliiance shift and change over time, a general overlay would be good.
Does SFB (etc) have rules for fighting with allied fleets - again previous ACTA has allowed this but normally having penalties (usually to iniaitive) to represent different command styles, communication issues and sheer bloodmindedness of Captains.
I am guessing the Klingons and the Romulans are allies of convenience more than strongly linked?
Da Boss said:
I can't recall if SFB had specific rules about allied fleets, but F&E does. Essentially you pick a flagship, and at least 50% of the battleforce has to consist of ships from the flagship's empire. So it's not unusual to see a allied fleet with all the heavy ships being Lyran BC/DN, with a Klingon battlegroup (3 D5, 3 F5) attached to that.
Da Boss said:
When I first read this several thoughts went through my head, first was...really, I didn't realize the United States Navy was that desperate. Then I saw you were from the UK, and then my next thought was...will the British version have real cannons that shoot out shells instead of a big white flag and blaring out "I surrender" in every known language like the French version?
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
Da Boss said:
A simple chart. Not so much.
You had the Klingons fighting the Feds, the Hydrans and the Tholians. The Hydrans were fighting the Lyrans and the Klingons as they were squezed almost out of the map then rescued by the Kzinti/Fed.
The Lyrans were fighting the Kzinti and the Hydrans and the Feds and having the odd battle with the renegades while being mostly allied to the Klingons.
The Feds fought the kzinti then allied with them against the klingons and Lyrans then rescued the Hydrans and allied with them as well. Kirk fought the Gorns then they allied with the Gorns against the Klingons and Romulans (and lyrans on the odd mission across the far side of the map). The Feds fought the Romulans and from time to time the tholians then ended up sort of helping the Tholians to break the routes between the Klingons and Romulans.
The Gorns fought the Romulans, fought Kirk and then allied with the Feds and managed to fight the Klingons and the Lyrans with detached battle groups added to hard pressed fleets on that side of the map.
The Romulans fought everyone except the Klingons who they were allied with and they were technicaly allied with the Lyran but I don't think any Romulan ships ever made it that far under Romulan control.
The Tholians fought everyone then got beaten into a tiny pocket by the Klingons and Romulans who took over most of what was Tholian space and used it to directly meet each other and exchange supplies. Then after the actual war ships turned up and the tide of war turned the Federation/Kzinti/Gorns forced back the Klingons and Romulans allowing the THolians to expand just in time to fight the ISC and then the Andro invasions and of course some old friends from another galaxy.
The ISC hide from everyone then fought everyone then pushed everyone apart keeping them seperated then suffered huge loses when the adnromedans arrived then allied with everyone else against the Andros.
The Andros just fought everyone.
Then there are the minor powers...............
(Done from memory, its been a while since I played SFB and I'm getting old so excuse any mistakes)
Simple, not so much :lol:
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
Totenkopf said:
Sadly probaly not. After selling off our last carrier for scrap and selling the Harriers to the US marrines we are stuck with trying to catch lifts on a French Carrier or waiting 5 more years (or more) for one of our new ones. However I hang my head in shame here as it must be said, the French carrier has weapons. Our new British ones are having the designs changed since they had nothing but some point defence. The most powerful navy in the world, pride of Britain reduced to a handfull of frigates/destroyers and a 5 year wait for a carrier they didn't even arm
Captain Jonah said:Totenkopf said:
Sadly probaly not. After selling off our last carrier for scrap and selling the Harriers to the US marrines we are stuck with trying to catch lifts on a French Carrier or waiting 5 more years (or more) for one of our new ones. However I hang my head in shame here as it must be said, the French carrier has weapons. Our new British ones are having the designs changed since they had nothing but some point defence. The most powerful navy in the world, pride of Britain reduced to a handfull of frigates/destroyers and a 5 year wait for a carrier they didn't even arm
Sad but true - and I am not sure if the carrier will even have any aircraft apart from helicopters.....
Still got to pay the bankers their bonuses or else they might drop us all in it - oh wait.........
Thanks thats really helpful so as my main fleet likely to be Klingon - is this about right as may affect my ship purchasesCaptain Jonah said:Da Boss said:
A simple chart. Not so much.
You had the Klingons fighting the Feds, the Hydrans and the Tholians. The Hydrans were fighting the Lyrans and the Klingons as they were squezed almost out of the map then rescued by the Kzinti/Fed.
The Lyrans were fighting the Kzinti and the Hydrans and the Feds and having the odd battle with the renegades while being mostly allied to the Klingons.
The Feds fought the kzinti then allied with them against the klingons and Lyrans then rescued the Hydrans and allied with them as well. Kirk fought the Gorns then they allied with the Gorns against the Klingons and Romulans (and lyrans on the odd mission across the far side of the map). The Feds fought the Romulans and from time to time the tholians then ended up sort of helping the Tholians to break the routes between the Klingons and Romulans.
The Gorns fought the Romulans, fought Kirk and then allied with the Feds and managed to fight the Klingons and the Lyrans with detached battle groups added to hard pressed fleets on that side of the map.
The Romulans fought everyone except the Klingons who they were allied with and they were technicaly allied with the Lyran but I don't think any Romulan ships ever made it that far under Romulan control.
The Tholians fought everyone then got beaten into a tiny pocket by the Klingons and Romulans who took over most of what was Tholian space and used it to directly meet each other and exchange supplies. Then after the actual war ships turned up and the tide of war turned the Federation/Kzinti/Gorns forced back the Klingons and Romulans allowing the THolians to expand just in time to fight the ISC and then the Andro invasions and of course some old friends from another galaxy.
The ISC hide from everyone then fought everyone then pushed everyone apart keeping them seperated then suffered huge loses when the adnromedans arrived then allied with everyone else against the Andros.
The Andros just fought everyone.
Then there are the minor powers...............
(Done from memory, its been a while since I played SFB and I'm getting old so excuse any mistakes)
Simple, not so much :lol:
Klingons and Romulans - firm Allies
Klingons and Lyrans - Associates
Klingons and Federation - Enemies
Klingons and Tholians - Enemies
Klingons and Kzinti - Unfriendly
Klingons and Gorn - Unfriendly
Klingons and Hydrans - Enemies
I think it would be fair to call the Klingons and Lyrans allies, since they fought alongside each other more often than not. The Klingons and Roms didn't fight alongside that much. This becomes obvious if you play the strategic game F&E. Certainly the Lyrans are basically the money-bags of the Coalition; they frequently end up sending surplus funds to the Klingons and sometimes the Roms.
Oh the Klingons are definitely enemies of the Hydrans and Kzin, not unfriendly.
Bombarding and/or capturing their homeworlds will ensure a very high level of animosity exists for a very long time.
Oh the Klingons are definitely enemies of the Hydrans and Kzin, not unfriendly.
Bombarding and/or capturing their homeworlds will ensure a very high level of animosity exists for a very long time.The Grand Alliance players are; Federation, Kzinti, Gorn, and Hydrans Mid to Late War the The Tholians join out of self-defense.
The Colalition Forces are Klingons, Lyrans, and Romulan. Late War the Seltorians arrived e but only want to kill Tholians.
Neutal Faction; Wyn Star Cluster, Vicar, and ISC.
Andromedans attack everyone, Orions are Pirates so anything goes.
The Colalition Forces are Klingons, Lyrans, and Romulan. Late War the Seltorians arrived e but only want to kill Tholians.
Neutal Faction; Wyn Star Cluster, Vicar, and ISC.
Andromedans attack everyone, Orions are Pirates so anything goes.
And it isn't quite as simple as the Klingons and Federation being enemies. There are times when they are allies and times when there is peaceful trade in addition to when they are blowing up each other's ships.
Items that might help:
History of the General War: http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sfin/general_war.htm
SFU Timeline: http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/Timeline.pdf (Use the find function to hunt down the various wars)
Map of the Alpha Octant: http://www.starfleetgames.com/images/New Folder/SFU_Map_Gorn_NZ.jpg
Jean
Items that might help:
History of the General War: http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sfin/general_war.htm
SFU Timeline: http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/Timeline.pdf (Use the find function to hunt down the various wars)
Map of the Alpha Octant: http://www.starfleetgames.com/images/New Folder/SFU_Map_Gorn_NZ.jpg
Jean
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
billclo said:
"We come in peace-shoot to kill" indeed
What did a captain throw a rock at one of them or something? 
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Sure did. And it bounced off of the Gorn Captain's chest smashing Fred Lubens' coffee cup. Pissed the First Officer off since the coffee cup was his gift to his Captain after winning it during an arm wrestling match. 8)
[/quote]Sure did. And it bounced off of the Gorn Captain's chest smashing Fred Lubens' coffee cup. Pissed the First Officer off since the coffee cup was his gift to his Captain after winning it during an arm wrestling match. 8)
The initial contact wasn't the problem. The two captains quickly resolved their differences and even became friends. The Gorn captain was a history expert and had built a replica of an early Gorn ship driven by a solar sail. The Federation captain was actually invited to join in this vessel's first voyage.billclo said:
Unfortunately the Terran media got hold of the story and dramatised it as Gorn With The Wind. That was what started the Federation-Gorn war. :twisted:
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