SST Miniatures List
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Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
Rob_A said:
The choice for plastic SHOULD be a simple one, it should ALWAYS be the models a player will need the most of!
shotgun-toting chipmunk
Mongoose
The thing about Battletech "sprues" is that in general most of the mini is cast, with the sprue containing some of the detail pieces. I remember for a while They went the route of several different pieces to the miniature (a la the Saggittaire and newest Atlas) but I think people complained about the assembly and so they went back to fewer pieces. A shame, IMO, as far as modeling goes, because those made for a lot of fun reposing.
As paladin mentioned, ball joints are particularly helpful, but you still need to have multiple pieces.
If there's no assembly beyond attaching to the base, it's pretty hard to do any conversions, and I'd rather not be bothered with the models. I really don't want this to be like the "Veteran Cap Troopers" set where there was really no purpose other than to provide new poses. If I'm not getting prepainted figures, I'd at least like the ability to make all kinds of custom poses and such.
As paladin mentioned, ball joints are particularly helpful, but you still need to have multiple pieces.
If there's no assembly beyond attaching to the base, it's pretty hard to do any conversions, and I'd rather not be bothered with the models. I really don't want this to be like the "Veteran Cap Troopers" set where there was really no purpose other than to provide new poses. If I'm not getting prepainted figures, I'd at least like the ability to make all kinds of custom poses and such.
I can't beleive I'm back here.
If Mongoose is committed to producing the best miniatures they can, then the entire skinny range needs to be dumped.
Reboot with a concept not based on the CGI show.
Make a complete "counts-as" list for the old models, so people who have them can still use em.
If Mongoose is committed to producing the best miniatures they can, then the entire skinny range needs to be dumped.
Reboot with a concept not based on the CGI show.
Make a complete "counts-as" list for the old models, so people who have them can still use em.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
nanite said:
Whooooooooaaaaa now, lets not be hasty!
nanite said:
The entire range is a sweeping statement. Did you participate in the informal poll?
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31725
While there are many that can be identified as candidates for rework, a good number of models are identified as not needing such treatment.
I bought the plastic Skinnies because if I don't use them for SST, they make great Pulp Sci-fi aliens. Same holds true for many of the others in the range. I've since expanded my collection (as soon as the auction arrives in the mail that is..)
Gauntlet-
Banded Mongoose
Hey Nanite very very long time no see!
I don't think all the models need to be scrapped, but a large quantity and I think Mongoose has accepted that already.
As to the 'Reboot'
I actually don't disagree. Basing it off of all 3 fiction pieces makes things pretty jumbled anyways, they might as well create an entirely new set of fiction that follows events and such more consistently and adds in all the best elements of each fiction. This way SST doesn't get too discombobulated.
For example they could ditch the CGI concept of the Federation meeting the Bugs on Pluto. Which was frankly very very silly IMO.
They could keep the Klendathu Invasion and other such events that are more believable. They could also explain the universe more concretely. For example they could present the Heinlin's suggestion that there are human planets of significance that do not belong to the federation.
But point is it would help if done right.
I don't think all the models need to be scrapped, but a large quantity and I think Mongoose has accepted that already.
As to the 'Reboot'
I actually don't disagree. Basing it off of all 3 fiction pieces makes things pretty jumbled anyways, they might as well create an entirely new set of fiction that follows events and such more consistently and adds in all the best elements of each fiction. This way SST doesn't get too discombobulated.
For example they could ditch the CGI concept of the Federation meeting the Bugs on Pluto. Which was frankly very very silly IMO.
They could keep the Klendathu Invasion and other such events that are more believable. They could also explain the universe more concretely. For example they could present the Heinlin's suggestion that there are human planets of significance that do not belong to the federation.
But point is it would help if done right.
I'm arguing that the CGI skinnies don't translate well into miniature, and that's a core problem of the current skinnies.
The heads, the hand-blades, the feet. It's very difficult to make them look good.
The soldier models are good, but they also obscure the CGI anatomy.
It's very unlikely that the range will be redone, I know, but if there's any opportunity it's something to consider.
The heads, the hand-blades, the feet. It's very difficult to make them look good.
The soldier models are good, but they also obscure the CGI anatomy.
It's very unlikely that the range will be redone, I know, but if there's any opportunity it's something to consider.
Lieutenant Rasczak
Mongoose
msprange said:
Actually, the bulk are being re-done!
Gauntlet- said:
Yup.
SST 2.0 can't be just ok, it has to be great.
That's my problem with the raiders. They're ok, not great. The most common model needs to be great. The iconic model for a faction needs to be great.
On the positive, apart from the skinnies, the list of discontinued models sounds good. I'd vote for the Blisters/Blasters, going too though.
ScipioAmericanus
Mongoose
Guys:
To clarify some things:
The idea of a "re-boot" is not terribly off the mark. While there were some very nice Skinnie figs in the v.1 range (IMHO), pretty much all of the range will be re-done. And ultimately increased. The whole Skinnie "concept" is being re-worked and expanded. I know this for a fact, because I'M doing it. I watch the comments you post like a hawk, so your input is absolutely vital...and is being taken very seriously.
The SST:WOTS Skinnie society is nothing like the v.1 version: we (as in the Federation) have learned A LOT more about the Skinnies through INTEL, and we are starting to get a better (but not necessarilly 100% accurate) picture about who we are dealing with.
Think of Skinnie space, and Skinnie society as a whole, as an onion: it has layers. That's why the Federation's diplomacy has largely failed.
Matt can expound more if he so chooses.
Regards.
To clarify some things:
The idea of a "re-boot" is not terribly off the mark. While there were some very nice Skinnie figs in the v.1 range (IMHO), pretty much all of the range will be re-done. And ultimately increased. The whole Skinnie "concept" is being re-worked and expanded. I know this for a fact, because I'M doing it. I watch the comments you post like a hawk, so your input is absolutely vital...and is being taken very seriously.
The SST:WOTS Skinnie society is nothing like the v.1 version: we (as in the Federation) have learned A LOT more about the Skinnies through INTEL, and we are starting to get a better (but not necessarilly 100% accurate) picture about who we are dealing with.
Think of Skinnie space, and Skinnie society as a whole, as an onion: it has layers. That's why the Federation's diplomacy has largely failed.
Matt can expound more if he so chooses.
Regards.
I like the idea of the deep multi-layered onion approach to Skinnies.
I'd also hope that given their diversity that certain Skinnie groups would be in league with less than common alien species that may or may not warrant an entire army list of their own. So while some Skinnies may use slaves, others might have willing allies from more unique species. I'm thinking single units or individual aliens as scouts, advisors, engineers, mercenaries, bounty hunters, psychics, etc. Then if any single type catches on with the fan base, Mongoose will be able to expand upon that particular test case alien with more material later on. Besides the quality issues with the slave unit figures, I think an opportunity was missed to more thoroughly describe what worlds the slaves came from and the different species, perhaps giving some special talents or abilities.
I'd also hope that given their diversity that certain Skinnie groups would be in league with less than common alien species that may or may not warrant an entire army list of their own. So while some Skinnies may use slaves, others might have willing allies from more unique species. I'm thinking single units or individual aliens as scouts, advisors, engineers, mercenaries, bounty hunters, psychics, etc. Then if any single type catches on with the fan base, Mongoose will be able to expand upon that particular test case alien with more material later on. Besides the quality issues with the slave unit figures, I think an opportunity was missed to more thoroughly describe what worlds the slaves came from and the different species, perhaps giving some special talents or abilities.
ScipioAmericanus
Mongoose
Goldwyrm said:
Thanks for your props, Goldwyrm!
As of late I have either gotten slammed for 1) my humor, or 2) not saying enough.
I say as much as I feel I can. Being intimately involved with the Skinnies right now, I can say that some of your ideas are there...but that you will hopefully be pleasantly surprised at some of the twists and turns.
Regards.
Bubba Ho-Tep
Mongoose
Ok, I have a couple of questions.
Will the models on the list that are going away still be usable in 2.0?
If not why would we want to buy them if they will no longer be usable?
I have a bunch of stuff on that list and was just curious as to what will happen to the ones that don't make the cut?
Will the models on the list that are going away still be usable in 2.0?
If not why would we want to buy them if they will no longer be usable?
I have a bunch of stuff on that list and was just curious as to what will happen to the ones that don't make the cut?
