Space Western - Reputation Characteristic [Updated]

Solomani666

Mongoose
For my Traveller Space Western campaign I have decided to add a new characteristic, "Reputation (Rep)".

The Reputation (Rep) characteristic has 3 sub classes:
(Thanks goes to BP for this!)

Law Enforcer
Law Abider
Law Breaker

The player chooses 1 of the above reputation classes for his/her character. 90%+ of all citizens will fit into the Law Abider category.

Reputation tells how famous or infamous the character is by their actions.

For instance a Gunman (Law Breaker) with a high reputation could easily intimidate a simple farmer into backing down from a gunfight. A high Rep might also attract other gunmen who want to make a name for themselves. The reputation of a Law Breaker will also modify the bounty for his kill/capture if a warrant has been issued.

For instance a Marshal (Law Abider) with a high reputation will will be more likely to have common citizens join a posse, or to risk their own lives guarding the his/her back.

The characteristic will be on a 01-15 scale like other Traveller characteristics, but under certain circumstance could go over 15 or even down to 00 (-4).

Reputation is temporary, as people tend to forget a 'has-been'.

All characters start with a Reputation of 07.
Every 6 months the Reputation of a character will be reduced by 1 if over 7, and increased by 1 if under 7.
(Let me know if you think this should be changed to 1 year.)

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Here is where I can use some help.

Here are some of the reputation modifiers I have worked out so far:


Reputation Modifiers:

Law Enforcer:
+R Capturing/Killing a wanted outlaw within the scope of a warrant.
+1 Capturing/Killing 3 outlaws with a 00 or less Rep modifier within the scope of a warrant.
-(R) Fugitive escapes while under custody (-1 if Rep is "00").
-4+R Backing down from a fair gunfight with a Law Breaker.
+1 Winning a gunfight with an armed Law Abider and not using your gun to shoot him.
+R+2 Winning a gunfight with an armed Law breaker and not using your gun to shoot him.
-1 Minor abuse of power if a lawman.
-2 Serious abuse of power if a lawman.

Law Abider:
+(R)+1 Capturing/Killing a wanted outlaw within the scope of a warrant.
-1 Backing down from a gunfight with another Law Abider.
+1 Winning a gunfight/fistfight for good intentions.
-2 Winning a gunfight/fistfight for bad intentions.
-1 Bad crop/cattle year.
+1 Good crop/cattle year.

Law Breaker:
+R+1 Killing a lawman in a fair gunfight. (Not necessarily a 'Law Enforcer') **
+1 Killing a lawman in an unfair gunfight. (Not necessarily a 'Law Enforcer') *
+R Killing another Law Breaker in a fair gunfight
-1 Backing down from a gunfight with a Law Enforcer.
-3+R Backing down from a fair gunfight with a Law Abider.
-1-R Getting your ass whupped in a fistfight by a lawman if his reputation if positive. ( (Not necessarily a 'Law Enforcer')
-1 Getting your ass whupped in any fistfight by a Law Enforcer or a Law Abider.

All:
-6 Shooting a woman in the back (if male). *
-4 Shooting a woman for any reason other than she drew on you first (if male). *
-2 Shooting an armed woman even if she drew on you first and not a Law Breaker (if male).
-1 Shooting an armed woman even if she drew on you first and she is a Law Breaker (if male).
-2 Hits and knocks out an unarmed woman without shooting her (if male).
-1 Hits and bruises an unarmed woman's face without shooting her (if male).
-3 Shooting a preacher or religious leader.
-2 Wearing body armor to an even matched gunfight.
-4 Shooting a man in the back. *
-3 Shooting a man that is not wearing a gun. *
-2 Shooting a man that refuses to fight or is not ready (and is wearing a gun). *
+1 Winning a gunfight where the opponent drew first.
+1 Winning 3 fist fights.
-2 Spouse runs away / leaves them.
+S+1 Gets married.


Notes:
R = The Rep modifier of the opponent. (Example: Rep-13 is a +2)
(R) = The absolute value of the Rep modifier.
S = The Soc modifier of the spouse.
Women on women use the same modifiers as men on men.

* = Hanging offences. A warrant will be issued for their arrest.
** = Sometimes a hanging offences. A warrant will usually be issued for their arrest.

Other modifiers to be left up to the referee, depending on the situation and circumstances.

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Rep Below 00 (aka 'Rock bottom'):
Law Enforcers - Will usually be run out of town or off-world.
Law Abiders - Will usually give up and move to greener pastures, often off-world.
Law breakers - Have lost their nerve and will usually try a change of profession if they can.

At this point a PC or even an NPC may change their Reputation class.
A former gunman (Law Breaker) may become a temple preacher (Law Abider or Law Enforcer),
A lawman (Law Enforcer) may become an outlaw (Law Breaker), etc.
Their former reputation may still follow them for some years however.

Hence the former gunman turned preacher or doctor who still has people looking to kill him because of things he did or because of his former reputation.

Apply a -2 DM for all roles in their previous professions until they actually switch professions.
Afterwards they will still maintain their previous skill after a short term of practice or severe stress, but lack the confidence in that skill, having renounced their previous profession. Some other character may have to build up their confidence or a critical situation might need to take place before they flash into their former skill set.

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Did I leave out anything major?
should the gravitational effect of Reputation be 6 months or 1 year?
Can you think of any other modifiers that I left out?

The people in this forum have been an immense help in creating the details of this world (Loneseda).

I would like to thank everyone for their contributions so far and in keeping their contributions on topic.

I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMMENTS!



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Mssr Solomani666,

I would think you could easily abscond with the chart for the range of repute by co-opting "fame" range from Traveller Book8: Dilettante, pp. 33-39.

Region of influence /Possibly Known of
9<--Provincially known/ ---
10--Capital/ Continentally
11--Continentally known/ World wide
12--World wide/ System-wide
13--System wide/ 2-3 Systems away
14--2-3 systems/ Subsector wide
15--Subsector/ Sector wide
16--Sector/ Entire empire wide.
17--Empire wide/ Galaxy wide
 
People do forget, and those in the limelight every 6 months or so, tend to stay there. Those that "quietly fade away" like MacArthur's 'Old Generals' speech mentions.

In the minds of men, deeds and reputation do rise and fall. It can be easily argued for an annual as opposed to a biannual check as well (or a term-check every 4 years).

Like the Vargr 'Charisma' characteristic it can rise and fall with success or failures. With all the variables you have installed however, the accruing isn't the problem--for outlaws, any rash or spree of deeds can raise one's repute as a law Breaker to the flipside it draws repute seeking Law Enforcers to hunt you down...

The Law Enforcer who cleans out the town is also subject to repute's decreases over time--and if not threatened by law breakers, peacetime can reduce one's repute back to provincial levels.

Several adventures I have written for and pubbed for the game make use of "Player/Travellers gain a temporary boost in popularity from favorbale media coverage after the event for X-weeks/months."

Then it goes away...

Figuring out how much of a decent decrease for "times of peace & prosperity", or "lying low" for your repute system needs some looking at.
 
You forgot another taboo of the Old West--shooting or killing a Preacher.

The Dalton Boys managed in their next-to-their last job to shoot and wound a woman, and kill the town preacher wherein they robbed a bank...needless to say, word got out, and the Dalton's were on borrowed time as bad guys.
 
should the gravitational effect of Reputation be 6 months or 1 year?

Generic character REP7

Shot Sherrif Dublaine (REP7) in the Back


+1 for killing a lawman in an unfair fight, -4 for shooting a man in the back, net -3


means that you're on REP4, meaning about a year and a half for your reputation to go back to normal...

Sounds about right; after a year or so, people are more likely to remember that you shot the guy rather than how you shot him. Obviously the arrest warrant won't go away, though!

Still not convinced that REP as described isn't crossing over a lot into SOC - having things like getting married or having a bad cattle year, for example.

Queries:

Why do Law Abiders get a rawer deal than everyone else for getting married to someone with a high REP?

Why does shooting a woman who didn't draw on you not class as a hanging offence?

Law breakers getting beaten in a fistfight - You appear to have Law Enforcer down twice, presumably one should be Law Breaker?

What's the REP impact of a Law Enforcer killing another Law Enforcer in a fair fight (over a lady, for example)?
 
Dave Chase said:
Solomani666 said:
You are being irrational, ridiculous, and unreasonable.

Either:

A. Stop PMing me.

or

B. Post your comments in the public forum so everyone else can see what a whinny little nerd you are being.

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LOL

Looked in the mirror as you wrote this did you.

You are such a Narcissistic individual its almost unbelievable.

I was PM'ing you with some advice and hoping to have a decent discussion but again you prove that you cant handle anything that you even remotely take as negative against your person.

Dave

:lol:

This coming from Solomani666 who, though has some good ideas, just can't handle anything that appears to be a negative to their person.

If anyone would like copies of our PM's that caused Solomani666 to send such a request that I only make my comments to him(?) publicly, PM me and I will forward them to you.

Dave Chase
 
Liam Devlin said:
You forgot another taboo of the Old West--shooting or killing a Preacher.

The Dalton Boys managed in their next-to-their last job to shoot and wound a woman, and kill the town preacher wherein they robbed a bank...needless to say, word got out, and the Dalton's were on borrowed time as bad guys.

-3 Killing a preacher

Thanks!
 
Dave Chase said:
Dave Chase said:
Solomani666 said:
You are being irrational, ridiculous, and unreasonable.

Either:

A. Stop PMing me.

or

B. Post your comments in the public forum so everyone else can see what a whinny little nerd you are being.

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LOL

Looked in the mirror as you wrote this did you.

You are such a Narcissistic individual its almost unbelievable.

I was PM'ing you with some advice and hoping to have a decent discussion but again you prove that you cant handle anything that you even remotely take as negative against your person.

Dave

:lol:

This coming from Solomani666 who, though has some good ideas, just can't handle anything that appears to be a negative to their person.

If anyone would like copies of our PM's that caused Solomani666 to send such a request that I only make my comments to him(?) publicly, PM me and I will forward them to you.

Dave Chase


I noticed that you left out your own ridiculous comments and only posted the comment where I got sick and tired of you PMing me.

I am sure you will edit what you and I actually wrote when you send it, just like you did not post the entire conversation here, just the parts that made YOUR point. For that reason alone, no one should trust what you PM to them.

Start your own thread if you want to continue this melodrama, but stop pooping and crying all over my thread. Some of us are well adjusted individuals who actually want to play Traveller.


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locarno24 said:
Queries:

Why do Law Abiders get a rawer deal than everyone else for getting married to someone with a high REP?

Why does shooting a woman who didn't draw on you not class as a hanging offence?

Law breakers getting beaten in a fistfight - You appear to have Law Enforcer down twice, presumably one should be Law Breaker?

Fixed them. Thanks.

What's the REP impact of a Law Enforcer killing another Law Enforcer in a fair fight (over a lady, for example)?

Bad! He has turned to the 'dark side'.


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This is a pretty cool set of mechanics, I may end up implementing this as a "hidden stat" for my own players :)
 
"-1 Bad crop/cattle year. "

What happens if they have exceptional years (bumper crop, best cattle)?
 
DFW said:
"-1 Bad crop/cattle year. "

What happens if they have exceptional years (bumper crop, best cattle)?

yep, gotta have the flipside too.

Also for law Abiders, may I suggest the following:

:arrow: Strikes it rich
:arrow: Loses the farm/Business/ fishing boat by less than legal means
:arrow: Starts a new business/farm, acquires new fishing boat
:arrow: Merges his/her business with respectable one
:arrow: Merges business with disreputable firm
:arrow: Dissolves partnership in a business/farm/ fishing boat, etc
:arrow: Cheats/ Swindles partners/ and or investors out of profits
:arrow: Cheats workers out of profits
:arrow: Rewards partners/ workers in profits
:arrow: Honest man
:arrow: Known Liar
:arrow: Stingy Old cusser
:arrow: Generous man/woman
 
Solomani666 said:
Liam Devlin said:
You forgot another taboo of the Old West--shooting or killing a Preacher.

The Dalton Boys managed in their next-to-their last job to shoot and wound a woman, and kill the town preacher wherein they robbed a bank...needless to say, word got out, and the Dalton's were on borrowed time as bad guys.

-3 Killing a preacher

Thanks!

You're quite welcome! I've just re-played a Old West anthology DVD on real life outlaws...
 
Solomani666 said:
Dave Chase said:
Dave Chase said:
LOL

Looked in the mirror as you wrote this did you.

You are such a Narcissistic individual its almost unbelievable.

I was PM'ing you with some advice and hoping to have a decent discussion but again you prove that you cant handle anything that you even remotely take as negative against your person.

Dave

:lol:

This coming from Solomani666 who, though has some good ideas, just can't handle anything that appears to be a negative to their person.

If anyone would like copies of our PM's that caused Solomani666 to send such a request that I only make my comments to him(?) publicly, PM me and I will forward them to you.

Dave Chase


I noticed that you left out your own ridiculous comments and only posted the comment where I got sick and tired of you PMing me.

I am sure you will edit what you and I actually wrote when you send it, just like you did not post the entire conversation here, just the parts that made YOUR point. For that reason alone, no one should trust what you PM to them.

Start your own thread if you want to continue this melodrama, but stop pooping and crying all over my thread. Some of us are well adjusted individuals who actually want to play Traveller.


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Be careful for what you ask, for you might just be given it directly.
And here it is.

Unedited


Solomani666 said:
Dave Chase said:
You need to learn to understand that this is a public forum and you are not one of the admins.

Secondly, it seems you focus on others non-positive comments and ignore any positive that they might have.

You have some neat idea and posts, but your own posting in public about negative things, just makes you come off just as negative.

Dave Chase


So by asking to keep comments positive, I am somehow being negative!?
You are not making any kind of sense.

I am fully aware that the thread will eventually break down into negative and superfluous comments. This is my way of getting a few good ideas first, before the inevitable entropy that is synonymous with a public forum occurs.


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Solomani666 said:
Dave Chase said:
Solomani666 said:
So by asking to keep comments positive, I am somehow being negative!?
You are not making any kind of sense.

I am fully aware that the thread will eventually break down into negative and superfluous comments. This is my way of getting a few good ideas first, before the inevitable entropy that is synonymous with a public forum occurs.


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No, it more because you always go off on the negative posts, and you come off as whining about them too.

Negative (or posts you don't like) will happen as you are aware. But by starting a thread off with such that you don't want it, you just invite more of it because some individuals will take the bait.

If you don't like some posts in your thread, ignore them. Don't even respond to them.

Also, you seem to have issue with one or two regulars, just don't reply to them then.

Dave Chase


So far I have achieved 100% of my desired results on this thread with no one complaining except yourself.

If you actually thought my opening statement was unreasonable and your commentary was, then you would have posted this message in the thread.

You should give the forum members more credit.


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Solomani666 said:
Dave Chase said:
Solomani666 said:
So far I have achieved 100% of my desired results on this thread with no one complaining except yourself.

If you actually thought my opening statement was unreasonable and your commentary was, then you would have posted this message in the thread.

You should give the forum members more credit.


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Yes, I did and do think it is being slightly unreasonable, but no I don't always post in the threads. PMing works just as well, since the issue/concern I have is non-Traveller/Mongoose related and only was about you and your comments.

You obvious have not seen some of the flame wars that have happened here.

At least 4 individuals have been banned due to them over the last year, and one of them permamently.

But not attempting to be critical, but more like the monk,
'Think (post) negative and receive negative,
Think positive and gain positive.'


Dave Chase


Either:

A. Stop PMing me.

or

B. Post your comments in the public forum so that everyone can see you for the whinny little nerd (or big fat nerd) that you are.

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Dave Chase
 
Solomani666 said:
So by asking to keep comments positive, I am somehow being negative!?
You are not making any kind of sense.

I am fully aware that the thread will eventually break down into negative and superfluous comments. This is my way of getting a few good ideas first, before the inevitable entropy that is synonymous with a public forum occurs.
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ROFLMAO!

This from a guy that puked all over thread with nothing but negativity like someone who had their meds taken a few days ago.

Rich indeed.
 
And they're off again... Nurse! Bring the Tranquilizers!

...Anyway...

One other modification to the rules: Where a REP Bonus/Penalty includes R, the REP bonus of the opponent, add the phrase "(if positive)".

Otherwise, for example:

-1-R Getting your ass whupped in a fistfight by a lawman. (Not necessarily a 'Law Enforcer')

Means that if Jimmy the Really Arthritic Sheriff Who Should Have Retired Twenty Years Ago (REP 1, REP modifier -2) beats the holy living snot out of you, your REP actually goes up.....
 
Liam Devlin said:
DFW said:
"-1 Bad crop/cattle year. "

What happens if they have exceptional years (bumper crop, best cattle)?

yep, gotta have the flipside too.

Also for law Abiders, may I suggest the following:

:arrow: Strikes it rich

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:arrow: Generous man/woman


Lots of good ideas.
Will probably leave these to the referees discretion.

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locarno24 said:
And they're off again... Nurse! Bring the Tranquilizers!

...Anyway...

One other modification to the rules: Where a REP Bonus/Penalty includes R, the REP bonus of the opponent, add the phrase "(if positive)".

Otherwise, for example:

-1-R Getting your ass whupped in a fistfight by a lawman. (Not necessarily a 'Law Enforcer')

Means that if Jimmy the Really Arthritic Sheriff Who Should Have Retired Twenty Years Ago (REP 1, REP modifier -2) beats the holy living snot out of you, your REP actually goes up.....

Thanks.

Changed it to -1-R (If positive)

"Marshal whupped his ass good, mista had it commin', even left him alive to wallow in his shame."


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