Ship Rentals

Condottiere said:
Collateral.

Whether actual or virtual.

I think at this point you can leverage that social standing.
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Certainly.
IMTU the minimum rental fee starts at 1 to 5% of the shuttle's replacement cost, depending on Soc, collateral, credit score, etc. The fee per day would include maintenance, [reasonable] cleaning, etc. It is expected that the craft will be returned with a full tank of refined fuel.
 
Just for some interesting side reading, I looked up 'renting a yacht'. The prices vary wildly with yacht size, in- and out-season pricing, location of the home port /region, staffing levels [anywhere from 'none' to 'fully'] and so forth.
I will grant you this is only the roughest of parallels to what we're talking about here. The Riviera in season isn't Regina at any time, after all. But it was the closest example I could think of given the prices of the vessels we're talking about here.
For anyone interested, here's the link I got the most concise info from.

https://wise.com/us/blog/yacht-charter-cost
 
ottarrus said:
Just for some interesting side reading, I looked up 'renting a yacht'. The prices vary wildly with yacht size, in- and out-season pricing, location of the home port /region, staffing levels [anywhere from 'none' to 'fully'] and so forth.
I will grant you this is only the roughest of parallels to what we're talking about here. The Riviera in season isn't Regina at any time, after all. But it was the closest example I could think of given the prices of the vessels we're talking about here.
For anyone interested, here's the link I got the most concise info from.

https://wise.com/us/blog/yacht-charter-cost
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That's a charter, not a rental. It includes a hired crew.
 
It also depends on who is renting it to you, not so much as whom you're renting from.

If someone has a half dilipated free trader on their stocks, their conditions for that particular spacecraft might be lowered.
 
For charters I use the 90% rule. So add the cargo, and all free berth costs at the maximum jump of the ship and multi-ply by 0.9 where competition could be expected to be reasonable (in imperial space usually). if you build an uneconomic ship by turning all your cargo space into wet bars, don't expect me to subsidise it.

E.g. Type S with 2 Staterooms Free and 12 Tons Cargo and Jump 2 would be able to earn KCr28 for 2 x High Passage, KCr16 for 10 x Tons Cargo (2 are used up for High Passengers). MCr44 total * 0.9 = KCr39.6 for a two week charter. A seeker would only cost KCr37.44, but obviously has no passenger capacity so this would only be useful for a cargo run (and there are definitely more efficient configurations).

In a sellers market the hire fee might be all the expenses your charter will incur over your charter (Maintenance, Crew costs, fuel and docking fees etc. ) plus the max revenue the ship would lose by dedicating it to your service.

Usually I allow a Broker roll to meet somewhere in the middle of the two.

Mortgage fees are never included, I am chartering your ship, not buying it. If I pay your mortgage for a month, I bought a 1/240th share in your ship.

A mortgage is effectively a hire/purchase agreement so I'd start there for a hire cost (and with considerable security required).
 
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swordtart said:
Mortgage fees are never included, I am chartering your ship, not buying it. If I pay your mortgage for a month, I bought a 1/240th share in your ship.
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I disagree. If you want me to pretend that you own my ship for a month, or half a month, You are covering ALL of the expenses, plus lost revenue. PLUS fees. AND a refundable damage deposit up front, along with credit reserves for damage exceeding the deposit.

Or, you can take a ride with the guy two bays down who smokes crack.
 
Arkathan said:
I disagree. If you want me to pretend that you own my ship for a month, or half a month, You are covering ALL of the expenses, plus lost revenue. PLUS fees. AND a refundable damage deposit up front, along with credit reserves for damage exceeding the deposit.

Or, you can take a ride with the guy two bays down who smokes crack.
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As you say, there will be those who settle for less. In a sellers market (plenty of cargo and passengers available) and with a good Broker roll, you might even get all that.

A charter is not pretending to own the ship, it is paying for its exclusive use for a time and is paying for a service. If that service costs more than paying passenger fees and cargo fees, why would I bother with a charter.
 
swordtart said:
As you say, there will be those who settle for less. In a sellers market (plenty of cargo and passengers available) and with a good Broker roll, you might even get all that.

A charter is not pretending to own the ship, it is paying for its exclusive use for a time and is paying for a service. If that service costs more than paying passenger fees and cargo fees, why would I bother with a charter.
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Because with a Charter, you tell the captain where to go and when... just as if you owned the ship.
If you didn't NEED that, and could just go where other ships are going, you'd do that, and not NEED to charter a ship.
 
Captain decides if what the charterer requests endangers the ship and/or crew.

That insurance wouldn't exist if the spacecraft is rented without the crew.
 
Terry Mixon said:
The charter fees have to be large enough to pay the bills. Covering the payment for the vehicle will be rolled in if there is a mortgage. Otherwise companies would go broke and have ships repossessed.
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Even if the mortgage were paid off, it should be such a common fee that it would be included anyway.
 
Terry Mixon said:
The charter fees have to be large enough to pay the bills. Covering the payment for the vehicle will be rolled in if there is a mortgage. Otherwise companies would go broke and have ships repossessed.
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On that basis for conventional cargo carriage on a non-charter you would be adding to the base 1600 per ton for jump 2 to cover a proportion of your mortgage. Ditto for passengers. That doesn't happen and therefore there is no reason for it to happen with charters. For any sensible ship designed to be marginally profitable you will easily make your monthly payments including mortgage without adding extra for the mortgage on top. If your ship cannot pay its mortgage without chartering, it isn't an economic design.

With a charter you decide where the captain is to go which helps you. The ship owner benefits as they are paid for full cargo and passenger berths without having to tout for business (i.e. roll on the passenger and cargo tables) and potentially come up short.

If the ship has low berths and you don't want to use them you still have pay for them as though you did. If you only use Jump 1 but the ship is capable of Jump 2, you still pay the Jump 2 rates (and the captain may save a few credits on fuel on top). These are the opportunity costs that need to be covered by the charter.

The 90% is because when you buy in advance get a discount. Those charters are sometimes from larger shipping firms who are making up a shortfall in their own capacity.
 
When you are scrounging for passengers and freight, you HOPE to cover your expenses.
When some Schmuck is scrounging for ships, because just being a passenger won't do, that comes at a premium.
They need a ship and are willing to pay for one.
The example of the guy smoking crack two bays down, is because that is the guy who would be desperate enough to take on such a low-balled contract.
 
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