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rust said:
phavoc said:
It's a bit grandiose to say it couldn't be done when history has proven that statement incorrect on just about every human endeavor.
Hmm ... after millenia of warfare and attempts to come up with a reliable
method we have not yet found a good way to spoof a sensor as unsophis-
ticated as the human eye ... :wink:

I dunno - ever tried to spot professional soldiers and their vehicles when they're competantly camouflaged? I've tried on a few photos and always managed to miss at least one and I've got pretty sharp eyes...

Oh and... attacking out of the sun... a pretty good way of attacking while overcoming the Mk I.... :)
 
BFalcon said:
I dunno - ever tried to spot professional soldiers and their vehicles when they're competantly camouflaged? I've tried on a few photos and always managed to miss at least one and I've got pretty sharp eyes...
They seem much better camouflaged on two dimensional photos than they
are in three dimensional reality, and the camouflage usually breaks down
with any kind of movement.
Oh and... attacking out of the sun... a pretty good way of attacking while overcoming the Mk I.... :)
True, but it is a lot of effort to get the sun on the right side of the battle-
field ...
 
rust said:
phavoc said:
It's a bit grandiose to say it couldn't be done when history has proven that statement incorrect on just about every human endeavor.
Hmm ... after millenia of warfare and attempts to come up with a reliable
method we have not yet found a good way to spoof a sensor as unsophis-
ticated as the human eye ... :wink:

stage magicians do it all the time.
optical illusions
shining a light in a person's eyes robs them of night vision
smokescreens
 
DFW said:
phavoc said:
Maybe yes, maybe no. Obviously the same concepts today would scale with tech, just as would variations on how to spoof such things.

It's a bit grandiose to say it couldn't be done when history has proven that statement incorrect on just about every human endeavor.

Spec the decoy and I'll show you how... Remember, physics is your friend.
:wink:

I don't have my TL-9-15 guidebook handy, so I'll give you a few modern day ones:

MK-53 Nulka Decoy system - It is intended to counter a wide spectrum of present and future radar-guided anti-ship missiles (ASMs) assessed to have passive decoy rejection and active angular deflection electronic countermeasures rejection capabilities. It is designed to over-come the inherent shortfalls of chaff, which are wind dependence, lack of placement flexibility, relatively slow reaction time, and susceptibility to Doppler discrimination. - http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/mk-53.htm

Inflatable decoys - Modern and ones used back in WW2. I do believe the Serbians made a mockery of NATO "tank kills" score, of which most were decoys or fakes. http://www.oobject.com/category/8-inflatable-military-decoys/

The IR decoys fielded on todays Army rotorcraft - The AIRCMM program is considered essential to provide Army Aircraft protection against advanced air-to-air and surface-to-air IR weapon systems. The advances and technological breakthroughs in the development of improved and smarter target acquisition systems have made it necessary to continuously develop new countermeasure systems to assure the survivability of aircraft and crews in their designated mission environment. Advanced IR threats that have decoy counter-countermeasures have been developed and fielded. These improvements in anti-aircraft systems required the development of the AIRCMM. Simple improvement of the existing M206 was considered but found to be ineffective since a new decoy configuration and chemical composition are required to attain similarity between the aircraft signature and the flare signature. - http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/aircmm.htm

That's just a 5 minute search. They are out there. Any sensor can be spoofed. The variable is how long can you keep the spoof up before they figure out its not real.
 
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