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Inspiration: VRAKS - Chapter 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7U93YjucD0
Ship Design Philosophy
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Inspiration: VRAKS - Chapter 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7U93YjucD0
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
420. The Scharnhorsts are light battleships.
421. You could define a battleship as having sufficient protection to mitigate against their own main armament.
422. And light in terms that battleships were only limited to thirty five kilotonnes due to Treaty obligations, and when they had the opportunity, the inclination was towards Hood size, and larger.
423. There was an upgrade path towards three twin fifteen inchers from triple elevens, which certainly would be a tad more than thirteen inches of armour.
424. The Renowns originally were supposed to be battleships, so are somewhat more robust once they were redesigned in order to fill a gap in capability.
425. I think that armour factor twelve is acceptable, on let's say a hundred fifty kilotonne hull.
426. Two hundred kilotonnes seems the legacy tonnage for a default line of battle ship at technological level fourteen and fifteen.
427. That could be the equivalent of between thirty five to forty kilotonnes.
428. Twenty five to thirty knots could be the equivalent of acceleration factor six.
429. Twenty to twenty five knots could be the equivalent to acceleration factor five.
420. The Scharnhorsts are light battleships.
421. You could define a battleship as having sufficient protection to mitigate against their own main armament.
422. And light in terms that battleships were only limited to thirty five kilotonnes due to Treaty obligations, and when they had the opportunity, the inclination was towards Hood size, and larger.
423. There was an upgrade path towards three twin fifteen inchers from triple elevens, which certainly would be a tad more than thirteen inches of armour.
424. The Renowns originally were supposed to be battleships, so are somewhat more robust once they were redesigned in order to fill a gap in capability.
425. I think that armour factor twelve is acceptable, on let's say a hundred fifty kilotonne hull.
426. Two hundred kilotonnes seems the legacy tonnage for a default line of battle ship at technological level fourteen and fifteen.
427. That could be the equivalent of between thirty five to forty kilotonnes.
428. Twenty five to thirty knots could be the equivalent of acceleration factor six.
429. Twenty to twenty five knots could be the equivalent to acceleration factor five.
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Starwarships: Star Trek: The most detailed 3D model of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 ever! Deck 9-24
The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) was a 23rd century Federation Constitution-class starship operated by Starfleet. It was also the first ship to bear the name Enterprise with this registry.
Starfleet commissioned the Enterprise in 2245. Robert April is the Enterprise's first captain, succeeded by Christopher Pike. Pike leads the Enterprise for about a decade Throughout the first live-action, Captain James T. Kirk commands the ship on an exploration mission from 2264 to 2269
USS Enterprise NCC-1701 is a starship in the Star Trek media franchise. Initially, a vision of the potential for human spaceflight, the Enterprise became a popular culture icon and has repeatedly been identified as one of the best-designed and most influential science fiction spacecraft.
The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) was a 23rd century Federation Constitution-class starship operated by Starfleet. It was also the first ship to bear the name Enterprise with this registry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCRaq-DV-po
1. Lounge, lots of common areas.
2. Better have a good reason for climbing stairs to get to the engines.
3. Forgot they had a swimming pool.
4. And a bowling area.
5. And a laundry.
6. Security should be close enough to primary egress, but far enough away to be secured, considering likely adjuncts like the armoury and the brig.
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
430. Two hundred kilotonnes are actually legacy weights.
431. Presumably, it's large enough to absorb technological level fourteen and below spinal mount damage, and only vulnerable to the largest of technological level fifteen spinal mounts.
432. In our case, the primary milestones are twenty five and hundred kilotonnes, where hull points are increased per tonne.
433. But the touchstone seems to remain the two hundred kilotonne hull, so anything that would be designed as a capital ship would have to take that into account.
434. However, presumably there's a run up to that point.
435. Going by real life, size inflation increases tonnages in each warship type, so that battleships in each successive technological level become larger.
436. Modernized battleships would those originally from a previous technological level that had been refitted, and likely smaller in size.
437. Light battleships would be modern battleships, but scaled down to previous technological tonnages.
438. In theory, you do have terms such as compact and pocket, though I'm inclined to keep those in the cruiser categories.
439. Coastal variants are basically monitors, but with more range and area of operation.
430. Two hundred kilotonnes are actually legacy weights.
431. Presumably, it's large enough to absorb technological level fourteen and below spinal mount damage, and only vulnerable to the largest of technological level fifteen spinal mounts.
432. In our case, the primary milestones are twenty five and hundred kilotonnes, where hull points are increased per tonne.
433. But the touchstone seems to remain the two hundred kilotonne hull, so anything that would be designed as a capital ship would have to take that into account.
434. However, presumably there's a run up to that point.
435. Going by real life, size inflation increases tonnages in each warship type, so that battleships in each successive technological level become larger.
436. Modernized battleships would those originally from a previous technological level that had been refitted, and likely smaller in size.
437. Light battleships would be modern battleships, but scaled down to previous technological tonnages.
438. In theory, you do have terms such as compact and pocket, though I'm inclined to keep those in the cruiser categories.
439. Coastal variants are basically monitors, but with more range and area of operation.
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Starwarships: Behind the Scenes of Star Wars: The Original Trilogy ILM Special Effects Makers.
This was taken from the Star Wars: The Complete Saga as a special feature for the Original Trilogy of Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85MK2GDkoxo
1. Yoda - self insertion.
2. Leia - lost ten pounds between design and wear.
3. Food based - hamburger bun and double chili dog.
4. Original Fett cartoon.
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Emperor Mongoose
Starwarships: Most Expensive Starfighters in Star Wars
We take a look at some of the most expensive starfighters in Star Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7xK8ObiVYM
1. Seems more of a summary.
2. If you have variable sweep wings, they should provide some additional tactical advantage, otherwise, why bother?
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
440. The technological level fifteen Tigresses weigh in at a semimegatonne.
441. You have in the Tigresses an uncompromised battleship carrier, with the most powerful armament, the complete aerospace group of a fleet carrier, and the performance of a modern line of battle ship.
442. I think that if we built such a vessel, it would have a main battery of twenty inchers, and an aerospace group of hundred plus, on maybe a one hundred and twenty kilotonne hull.
443. The Yamatos are listed at seventy kilotonnes, which could be three hundred and fifty kilotonne hulls.
444. The Iowas come in at fifty kilotonnes, and could be three hundred kilotonne hulls.
445. Treaty limits of thirty five kilotonnes could be the benchmark of two hundred kilotonne hulls.
446. The Queen Elizabeths could be considered the most powerful battleships of the Great War, and at thirty two kilotonnes, that could be around one hundred eighty kilotonne hull, and acceleration factor factor five.
447. Super dreadnoughts would be twenty five kilotonnes, and translate as one hundred fifty kilotonnes and acceleration factor four.
448. Dreadnoughts would be a tad under twenty kilotonnes, and translate as one hundred forty kilotonne hulls and acceleration factor four.
449. Generalization of predreadnoughts would be around eighty five kilotonnes, but common sense would make the designers aim for a hundred kilotonnes at least, and acceleration factor three.
440. The technological level fifteen Tigresses weigh in at a semimegatonne.
441. You have in the Tigresses an uncompromised battleship carrier, with the most powerful armament, the complete aerospace group of a fleet carrier, and the performance of a modern line of battle ship.
442. I think that if we built such a vessel, it would have a main battery of twenty inchers, and an aerospace group of hundred plus, on maybe a one hundred and twenty kilotonne hull.
443. The Yamatos are listed at seventy kilotonnes, which could be three hundred and fifty kilotonne hulls.
444. The Iowas come in at fifty kilotonnes, and could be three hundred kilotonne hulls.
445. Treaty limits of thirty five kilotonnes could be the benchmark of two hundred kilotonne hulls.
446. The Queen Elizabeths could be considered the most powerful battleships of the Great War, and at thirty two kilotonnes, that could be around one hundred eighty kilotonne hull, and acceleration factor factor five.
447. Super dreadnoughts would be twenty five kilotonnes, and translate as one hundred fifty kilotonnes and acceleration factor four.
448. Dreadnoughts would be a tad under twenty kilotonnes, and translate as one hundred forty kilotonne hulls and acceleration factor four.
449. Generalization of predreadnoughts would be around eighty five kilotonnes, but common sense would make the designers aim for a hundred kilotonnes at least, and acceleration factor three.
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
450. Sometimes, as hard as one tries, one cannot perfectly fit the facts or events to the narrative.
451. The introduction of the ironclad Warrior would be technological level ten.
452. The Warrior could be around fifty kilotonnes, have factor ten krystahl armour, a factor six railgun, acceleration factor three, and range one parsec.
453. It could be claimed that the Victoria was the largest and fastest wooden battleship, at a tad under seven kilotonnes
454. Technological level nine performance might be rated at jump drive factor one, manoeuvre drive factor one, lots of large bays, on a forty kilotonne factor nine titanium steel hull.
455. You could term them as galleons, ship of the line being too generic.
456. Considering that galleons were large ocean going ships, might be appropriate.
457. The Terrans might have termed them (Solo)man(i) o' war.
458. Technological level eight spaceships might have access to limited range manoeuvre drives.
459. That could make them galleys, having both options for sailing and rowing.
450. Sometimes, as hard as one tries, one cannot perfectly fit the facts or events to the narrative.
451. The introduction of the ironclad Warrior would be technological level ten.
452. The Warrior could be around fifty kilotonnes, have factor ten krystahl armour, a factor six railgun, acceleration factor three, and range one parsec.
453. It could be claimed that the Victoria was the largest and fastest wooden battleship, at a tad under seven kilotonnes
454. Technological level nine performance might be rated at jump drive factor one, manoeuvre drive factor one, lots of large bays, on a forty kilotonne factor nine titanium steel hull.
455. You could term them as galleons, ship of the line being too generic.
456. Considering that galleons were large ocean going ships, might be appropriate.
457. The Terrans might have termed them (Solo)man(i) o' war.
458. Technological level eight spaceships might have access to limited range manoeuvre drives.
459. That could make them galleys, having both options for sailing and rowing.
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
460. The dreadnought armoured cruiser evolved from the first class armoured cruiser.
461. Though you still could see examples at technological levels twelve to fourteen.
462. Technological twelve ones could be considered underpowered in comparison to their dreadnought armoured cruiser successors, though may have been constructed if the builders do not have access to the more powerful main armaments.
463. While armoured cruisers might have been considered as a possible addition to the line of battle, doing so at technological level twelve is not a good idea.
464. They would still have their uses as the flagship of distant stations, or protecting the flanks of line of battle ships against forays by non capital starwarships.
465. It seems unlikely that a major navy would still be building first class armoured cruisers by technological level thirteen, though they may upgrade existing ones.
466. By technological level fourteen, heavy cruisers have taken over any conceivable role that the first class armoured cruiser may have been utilized for, though you may have modernized examples.
467. Armoured cruisers would have been introduced with the creation of kristahl, so that would be technological level ten.
468. Technological level eleven would have been the heyday of first class armoured cruisers, as their fast tactical speed and two parsec range would have made them proto battle cruisers.
469. Capable of either extensive commerce raiding, or hunting down the same.
460. The dreadnought armoured cruiser evolved from the first class armoured cruiser.
461. Though you still could see examples at technological levels twelve to fourteen.
462. Technological twelve ones could be considered underpowered in comparison to their dreadnought armoured cruiser successors, though may have been constructed if the builders do not have access to the more powerful main armaments.
463. While armoured cruisers might have been considered as a possible addition to the line of battle, doing so at technological level twelve is not a good idea.
464. They would still have their uses as the flagship of distant stations, or protecting the flanks of line of battle ships against forays by non capital starwarships.
465. It seems unlikely that a major navy would still be building first class armoured cruisers by technological level thirteen, though they may upgrade existing ones.
466. By technological level fourteen, heavy cruisers have taken over any conceivable role that the first class armoured cruiser may have been utilized for, though you may have modernized examples.
467. Armoured cruisers would have been introduced with the creation of kristahl, so that would be technological level ten.
468. Technological level eleven would have been the heyday of first class armoured cruisers, as their fast tactical speed and two parsec range would have made them proto battle cruisers.
469. Capable of either extensive commerce raiding, or hunting down the same.
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Emperor Mongoose
Starwarships: Most Expensive Star Ships (Medium Class) in Star Wars Galaxy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6dj_vBgFg8
1. Vertical integration.
2. Chromed; reflective coating.
3. Stealthed; holographic hull.
4. Courier; unprotected.
5. Special forces transport.
6. P F Sloan.
7. Stealthed blockade runner.
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
470. So that leaves us with a wide range of intermediate combatants with varying designations hinting at their performance, configuration and/or performance.
471. There are first class protected cruisers, which would be about the same tonnage as their armoured contemporaries.
472. Armour would be lighter, and possibly overall armament.
473. However, this would be balanced by some added capability, and I'm guessing tactical speed or maybe maybe a small aerospace group.
474. Much like the armoured cruiser evolved into the larger dreadnought armoured cruiser, protected cruisers developed into (smaller) light cruisers, and maybe the scout cruisers before that.
475. Heavy cruisers evolved out of light cruisers, artificially so, due to Treaty limits, and what seems a rather shortsighted view of cruiser development and requirements, or considering that the British rearmoured their County class and excluded internal water storage from the final tonnage, a brilliant sleight of hand.
476. Of course, in Traveller you can't change the hull armour factor.
477. Maybe you can build them with that desired armour factor, and then scrape it off?
478. This is arbitrary, but light cruisers appear at technological level twelve.
479. And heavy cruisers at technological level thirteen.
470. So that leaves us with a wide range of intermediate combatants with varying designations hinting at their performance, configuration and/or performance.
471. There are first class protected cruisers, which would be about the same tonnage as their armoured contemporaries.
472. Armour would be lighter, and possibly overall armament.
473. However, this would be balanced by some added capability, and I'm guessing tactical speed or maybe maybe a small aerospace group.
474. Much like the armoured cruiser evolved into the larger dreadnought armoured cruiser, protected cruisers developed into (smaller) light cruisers, and maybe the scout cruisers before that.
475. Heavy cruisers evolved out of light cruisers, artificially so, due to Treaty limits, and what seems a rather shortsighted view of cruiser development and requirements, or considering that the British rearmoured their County class and excluded internal water storage from the final tonnage, a brilliant sleight of hand.
476. Of course, in Traveller you can't change the hull armour factor.
477. Maybe you can build them with that desired armour factor, and then scrape it off?
478. This is arbitrary, but light cruisers appear at technological level twelve.
479. And heavy cruisers at technological level thirteen.
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
480. Protected cruisers could have developed at technological level eleven.
481. The development of meson gun bays would have neutralized any armour that could be slapped on the side of the hull.
482. Armour would be substituted by bulking up important interior ship systems.
483. By extension, these cruisers would have to be fast and manoeuvrable.
484. Secondary and/or tertiary weapon systems would have to be optimized for point defence, against guided munitions, as well as pursuing smallcraft.
485. Doctrine would be to maintain a very long ranged engagement, minimizing the effect energy based weapon systems would have.
486. Other terms that have surfaced are semi armoured cruisers and unprotected cruisers.
487. Unprotected cruisers would have no armour and minimal internal protection.
488. Semi armoured cruisers seems a hybrid of protected and armoured variants, implying some armour protection.
489. The amount of armour should be dependent on how much they can mitigate the effects of weapon systems damage.
480. Protected cruisers could have developed at technological level eleven.
481. The development of meson gun bays would have neutralized any armour that could be slapped on the side of the hull.
482. Armour would be substituted by bulking up important interior ship systems.
483. By extension, these cruisers would have to be fast and manoeuvrable.
484. Secondary and/or tertiary weapon systems would have to be optimized for point defence, against guided munitions, as well as pursuing smallcraft.
485. Doctrine would be to maintain a very long ranged engagement, minimizing the effect energy based weapon systems would have.
486. Other terms that have surfaced are semi armoured cruisers and unprotected cruisers.
487. Unprotected cruisers would have no armour and minimal internal protection.
488. Semi armoured cruisers seems a hybrid of protected and armoured variants, implying some armour protection.
489. The amount of armour should be dependent on how much they can mitigate the effects of weapon systems damage.
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Ship Design Philosophy and Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts
490. Optimizing hull armour depends on the degree they mitigate damage.
491. Technological level ten kristahl factor ten is twelve and a half percent, or one eighth volume.
492. Competing for space would only be a factor one jump drive, another one eighth volume.
493. Manoeuvre drive is maximum factor three, which is three percent.
494. In theory, you could squeeze in a railgun spinal mount, at fifty percent volume.
495. Technological level nine titanium steel (which is what?) factor nine hull armour is twenty two and a half percent, which is a under a quarter volume.
496. That is an additional twenty two and a half percent to default hull costs, compared to fifty percent for the next stage up factor ten kristahl armour.
497. While the jump drive components remain the same volume, maximum acceleration is factor one, so one percent.
498. Technological level eight has no jump drive nor manoeuvre drive, but factor eight armour would be twenty percent, or one fifth volume.
499. Technological level seven, which should don't have any form of gravitic technology, would have factor seven armour at seventeen and a half percent.
490. Optimizing hull armour depends on the degree they mitigate damage.
491. Technological level ten kristahl factor ten is twelve and a half percent, or one eighth volume.
492. Competing for space would only be a factor one jump drive, another one eighth volume.
493. Manoeuvre drive is maximum factor three, which is three percent.
494. In theory, you could squeeze in a railgun spinal mount, at fifty percent volume.
495. Technological level nine titanium steel (which is what?) factor nine hull armour is twenty two and a half percent, which is a under a quarter volume.
496. That is an additional twenty two and a half percent to default hull costs, compared to fifty percent for the next stage up factor ten kristahl armour.
497. While the jump drive components remain the same volume, maximum acceleration is factor one, so one percent.
498. Technological level eight has no jump drive nor manoeuvre drive, but factor eight armour would be twenty percent, or one fifth volume.
499. Technological level seven, which should don't have any form of gravitic technology, would have factor seven armour at seventeen and a half percent.
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Emperor Mongoose
Starwarships: The Sojourn: Florencia Class Outrider | Official Ship Breakdown
Shakira Shute narrates this detailed breakdown of the Florencia Class Outrider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dhl9B9hyGs
1, Derived design.
2. Cheap and cheerful.
3. Catamaran configuration.
4. Docking plates.
5. In theory, external cargo; in practice, pods.
6. Long range fire, short range distraction.
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Emperor Mongoose
Starwarships: 66 Rarest Starships in Star Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8VnwGz4PNQ
Listing.
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Starwarships: How Belter Ships Are BUILT DIFFERENT in The Expanse
Belter ships are a different breed of vessel. What are the factors that make these ships unique? Today we dive back into the universe of The Expanse to find out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyDg9qEJMqU
1. Trickle down economics.
2. Convenient airlock positioning.
3. Horizontal hierarchy.
4. Artisanal spare parts.
5. Jack of all trades.
6. Pilot.
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Emperor Mongoose
Starwarships: Star Trek: Inside the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A/Refit (Deck A-J)
So I have decided to revisit the iconic TOS Enterprise 1701 A / Refit from Star Trek, but this time designing each deck one by one. Deck A-J, a fully realized 3D model. Part 1 of 2. This is part one of the Enterprise NCC-1701 A or refit which will mainly cover the primary hull, deck A through.
The refit was the most extensive the Enterprise NCC-1701 underwent during her lifetime and involved an almost complete rebuild of the ship. This level of refit had always been part of the mission plan for Constitution-class ships and the Enterprise was just one of several in the class that underwent the procedure, which greatly extended their potential operational life.
The warp engine was upgraded to serve for another 15 years, but other Constitution-refit Constitution-class ships class ships remained in service until the 2290s.
While the structural frame of the ship was on their predecessors but retained, the hull plating was completely renewed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmeutZCDQhw
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Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Insurance
1. This issue has been percolating for a number of years.
2. Recent events have brought it to a head.
3. Why would any star or pace port allow a spacecraft to dock if it doesn't have insurance?
4. Why would any planetary authority allow a spacecraft within a hundred planetary diameters if it doesn't have insurance.
5. Why would anyone ship cargo onboard a spacecraft if it doesn't have insurance?
6. Why would any ship's master permit cargo onboard that can't be insured?
7. And even then, insurance rates need to be affordable.
1. This issue has been percolating for a number of years.
2. Recent events have brought it to a head.
3. Why would any star or pace port allow a spacecraft to dock if it doesn't have insurance?
4. Why would any planetary authority allow a spacecraft within a hundred planetary diameters if it doesn't have insurance.
5. Why would anyone ship cargo onboard a spacecraft if it doesn't have insurance?
6. Why would any ship's master permit cargo onboard that can't be insured?
7. And even then, insurance rates need to be affordable.
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Emperor Mongoose
Governments can act as insurance companies, especially during wars.
Also, posting a bond by the owner is a possibility.
Also, posting a bond by the owner is a possibility.
