Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
From the art alone, let alone previous canon, it's hard to mistake original intent.
That's a twenty percent hit on kilotonnes of hull costs.
That's a twenty percent hit on kilotonnes of hull costs.
Ship Design Philosophy
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Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Starships: Scouts
Latest Imperium Scout design, making first contact.
Latest Imperium Scout design, making first contact.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Modular Hulls and Spinal Mounts
I'm sort of certain that I read somewhere you can't install a spinal mount as part of the modular hull.
But when I tried tracking that down in Mongoose Second High Guard, I didn't see it mentioned.
If it's permitted, that modular section would need to permit open access for the business end of the spinal mount, and be at least twice the volume of said spinal mount.
We do have the unique rule per hull, due to recoil.
I'm sort of certain that I read somewhere you can't install a spinal mount as part of the modular hull.
But when I tried tracking that down in Mongoose Second High Guard, I didn't see it mentioned.
If it's permitted, that modular section would need to permit open access for the business end of the spinal mount, and be at least twice the volume of said spinal mount.
We do have the unique rule per hull, due to recoil.
baithammer
Mongoose
The spinal as part of the modular construction would most likely have a replacement cover with an opening for the weapon to fire through.
As to recoil, only the mass driver would have sufficient recoil which mostly likely is compensated via mass of the weapon system and construction of the model.
As to recoil, only the mass driver would have sufficient recoil which mostly likely is compensated via mass of the weapon system and construction of the model.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
Condottiere said:
Anything but the bridge, power plant, drives or any structure or armour options can be modular, including spinal mounts, unfortunately.High Guard said:
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Modular Hull and Bridges
Speaking of which, I don't understand this prohibition.
It can't be wiring, since we also have Detachable Bridges.
Speaking of which, I don't understand this prohibition.
It can't be wiring, since we also have Detachable Bridges.
baithammer
Mongoose
Some of it is crunch and some of it being a hull should be designed around the spinal mount it self.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
A ship must have a bridge to be operational. It makes no sense make it removable.Condottiere said:
I have made secondary bridges modular, e.g. an extra flag bridge in a module.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Virtual crews can run ships without bridges.
And Deatchable Bridges could be considered modular.
And Deatchable Bridges could be considered modular.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
OK, if you make the entire crew optional, it would make sense to make the bridge modular.Condottiere said:
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Modular Hull and Power Plants
Next up would be power plants.
We can stick fusion reactors everywhere, why not in a modular hull?
Is it the electrical mains? If power is drawn from the main body of the spaceship, how do you then power the weapons and other ship systems that would be embedded in the modular hull. If power can flow one way, it can flow the other.
Next up would be power plants.
We can stick fusion reactors everywhere, why not in a modular hull?
Is it the electrical mains? If power is drawn from the main body of the spaceship, how do you then power the weapons and other ship systems that would be embedded in the modular hull. If power can flow one way, it can flow the other.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Modular Hull and Drives
With drives, it would depend.
Jump drives cause no stress on the superstructure, as far as I know. As such, as long as it's connected with presumably the bridge or the requisite computer, access to a large supply of hydrogen, and enough watts.
Manoeuvre drives, and by extension all other forms of propulsion, would depend on how secure the modular section is to the hull.
With drives, it would depend.
Jump drives cause no stress on the superstructure, as far as I know. As such, as long as it's connected with presumably the bridge or the requisite computer, access to a large supply of hydrogen, and enough watts.
Manoeuvre drives, and by extension all other forms of propulsion, would depend on how secure the modular section is to the hull.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Spaceships: Modular Hull and Hard Points
Weapon systems require hardpoints to allow proper installation.
While bay weaponry is intrinsically modular, switching it to another type might take too much time, so some designs might just use modular hulls as a faster alternative.
You cannot make use of hardpoints from other parts of the ship to enable the emplacement of weapon systems in the modular hull. Luckily, this is not an issue with one hundred and five hundred tonne bays, since they inherently expand to fill that requirement; enlarged versions still require the number of hardpoints that their enlargement expends.
Fifty tonne variants, barbettes and turrets require a full hundred tonnes of modular hull in order to utilize the hardpoint.
With firmpoints, there is one exception.
Weapon systems require hardpoints to allow proper installation.
While bay weaponry is intrinsically modular, switching it to another type might take too much time, so some designs might just use modular hulls as a faster alternative.
You cannot make use of hardpoints from other parts of the ship to enable the emplacement of weapon systems in the modular hull. Luckily, this is not an issue with one hundred and five hundred tonne bays, since they inherently expand to fill that requirement; enlarged versions still require the number of hardpoints that their enlargement expends.
Fifty tonne variants, barbettes and turrets require a full hundred tonnes of modular hull in order to utilize the hardpoint.
With firmpoints, there is one exception.
baithammer
Mongoose
You can access the hard points from within the module by placing the weapon on the same wall as the hard point.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Within? Tonnage is based on volume.
It just means you can't transfer hardpoints from the primary hull to modular hulls and vice versa, you need the full requirement in tonnage in order to support a hard point.
It just means you can't transfer hardpoints from the primary hull to modular hulls and vice versa, you need the full requirement in tonnage in order to support a hard point.
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
The rules contain no such limitation. A module is not a hull.Condottiere said:
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Let's say I have a design for a two hundred tonne system defence boat with a hundred and ten tonne modular hull section, and ten tonne manoeuvre drive.
I place the two hardpoints on the ninety tonne primary hull, and all the comforts of home in the module, including a pool table, and what the hell, also a pool.
I patrol the solar system at five gees acceleration, until I notice a corsair trying to attack a loan freetrader; I drop my hundred and ten tonne module and speed at eleven gees acceleration to the rescue, firing from my two hardpoints attached to the primary hull.
Can I get away with this?
Or let's say I have two twenty percent sized reduced fifty tonne bays in a ninety tone module in one hundred and ten tonne primary hull. Is this allowed, especially when I eject the module and use it a weapon platform by itself?
I place the two hardpoints on the ninety tonne primary hull, and all the comforts of home in the module, including a pool table, and what the hell, also a pool.
I patrol the solar system at five gees acceleration, until I notice a corsair trying to attack a loan freetrader; I drop my hundred and ten tonne module and speed at eleven gees acceleration to the rescue, firing from my two hardpoints attached to the primary hull.
Can I get away with this?
Or let's say I have two twenty percent sized reduced fifty tonne bays in a ninety tone module in one hundred and ten tonne primary hull. Is this allowed, especially when I eject the module and use it a weapon platform by itself?
AnotherDilbert
Emperor Mongoose
No, the ship does not become smaller when you drop the module, the module is internal.Condottiere said:
You can probably get away with it with a breakaway hull...
baithammer
Mongoose
I see we still have the mistake of thinking the modular hull option is about external storage which isn't by both description and mechanic.
Modular hull reserves internal hull space for modules to change function of the parent craft, for a real world example take a look at the danish stanflex system which also covers mounting a weapon system that sits atop the deck but is housed in the stanflex module. ( The hull without module still displaces its design displacement.)
Modular hull reserves internal hull space for modules to change function of the parent craft, for a real world example take a look at the danish stanflex system which also covers mounting a weapon system that sits atop the deck but is housed in the stanflex module. ( The hull without module still displaces its design displacement.)
