Ship Building questions: Handling is all wrong!!!

[zalen]

Just got the ship builders guide from UK games expo where i met Mongoose Old Bear. Got it home and as i usually do i end up finding loads of stuff either left out, or totally miscalculated.

Questions:
1) Engine Spaces to Ship Handling: Either the table is wrong or something else concerning handling was left out, because i went through the first 15 ships in the ships of the galaxy book, only to find out that only 3 are correct. UUUURRRR?????? Hello what has gone wrong??? most of the ships are at least 2 or more points too nimble, not to mention the FARSTAR from the Ragged edge, that's nearly 4 points too much!!!!!.
Can someone Preferably the writer of said book go over it and PROOFREAD IT HIMSELF this time and give us a free downloadable errata page.

2) Being a starship freak, i like modifying ships that do not need nearly as many crew as their stock configurations. How do you...say upgrade a ship to remove a certain amount of crew needs without down-grading the life support. And also how do you upgrade the life support for additional range on top of the recyclable system thingie???

3) In the ships of the galaxy, Drakh ships have got a gravity system...generator or something with either a 1 or 2 next to it, what is it and where are the rules for them.

4) There is a trait missing from the vorlon section, What exactly is SELF REPLICATING (Vorlon Transport, sotg), and what does it do?????

5)Also what are the cost for DogFight missile launchers as mounted on the funky little Starfox fighter. They have been totally emitted from the builders book.


Lets hope that the new upcoming books have more than one person proofreading them, and that them proofreading people actually KNOW THE RULES!!!!.
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[lastbesthope]

1) As is often the case in such books, the production model ships are better than the players can make using the construction rules. Same was true of Meks in A:2089

LBH

 

[Aramanthus]

I stated several mistakes I found last year about simliar complaints. They haven't done anything about those either. I know all about what you are saying Zalen.

 

[Neo]

1) As is often the case in such books, the production model ships are better than the players can make using the construction rules. Same was true of Meks in A:2089

LBH

Thats correct, we raised the point during playtest and the abover is pretty much the explanation we got.

As for point 2, that isnt an issue with the book, it is simply something the poster would like. As such it may be worth house ruling something to suit.

As for 3, 4 & 5.. iId check the playtest documents for you but they are on my other pc, which i dont have access to at presentt, maybe one of the other playtesters etc.. can help. These things could well have been missed or accidentally cropped during editing too.

 

[lastbesthope]

1) The reasoning is that mass production gives advantages in production that one offs don't get.

LBH

 

[zalen]

So basically i have to D.I.Y it myself. If i decide to construct a New STOCK ship myself i can give it more handling and less crew than its size suggests, just because i am the gm. HHMMMM???

Annoying.

So am i to take it that mongoose either: Does not or will not EVER correct its numerous mistakes in errata documents as so many other rpg makers do????. i found absolutely loads of double word errors, missed words in tables, incomplete sentences or paragraphs (Namely paragraph 3 last sentence below the IMPROVED HANDLING BY ENGINE SPACES table, it has been totally left unfinished so you have not a clue as to what it was going to refer to), also words such as ANY spelled as AMY, schoolboy errors that should have been picked up long before production.

Anyway as for questions 3, 4 and 5 if anyone can tell me the answers to them i would be greatly appriciative.

Don't knock the Starfox, its a funky little fighter begging to be upgraded!!!!!.

 

[lastbesthope]

So basically i have to D.I.Y it myself. If i decide to construct a New STOCK ship myself i can give it more handling and less crew than its size suggests, just because i am the gm. HHMMMM???

Well yes :lol:

The GM is god after all, unless you're GMing Claudia Christian.

LBH

 

[BuShips]

So basically i have to D.I.Y it myself. If i decide to construct a New STOCK ship myself i can give it more handling and less crew than its size suggests, just because i am the gm. HHMMMM???

Well yes :lol:

The GM is god after all, unless you're GMing Claudia Christian.

LBH

Yes, Ivanova is God. She trumps all GMs :wink:
Here's a trip down memory lane-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfNZnOp1iHU&mode=related&search=

I think you should film the session and offer it as a download (with the proper permissions of course). :idea:

 

[lastbesthope]

I do have some video from the last CC B5 RPG session.

LBH

 

[B_Steele]

The GM is god after all, unless you're GMing Claudia Christian.

Tell me about it! I lost my godhood to her!!!

-Bry

 

[Gabriel_Luna]

Honestly though, can you think of anyone better to lose it to?

 

[lastbesthope]

The GM is god after all, unless you're GMing Claudia Christian.

Tell me about it! I lost my godhood to her!!!

-Bry

Do we know who's GMing on the 4th of August? I signed up, missing my chance to play in the BF:Evo and ACTA tourney's, but it'll be worth it.

Really need to start work on that T-shirt Idea I have.

LBH

 

[Reborn]

You think you can handle the Iron Fist of Babylon 5, LBH? This could be amusing...

 

[B_Steele]

Do we know who's GMing on the 4th of August?

I would absolutely love to, but that would require an extra $980 for my flight that frankly, I just don't have right now.

Cheers,
Bry

 

[lastbesthope]

You think you can handle the Iron Fist of Babylon 5, LBH? This could be amusing...

Tell em it's not you! :shock:

LBH

 

[zalen]

A mate of mine suggested to me a way of working out the handling and possibly a few more bits.

Why don't mongoose come up with "Species Starship Modifiers".
For example, minbari ships will be nimbler, narn ships will shrug off minor hits more than others will etc etc.

There could be loads of possible mods that can be added to ships to make them correct and to spruce tham up a bit.

HOW ABOUT IT MONGOOSE?????????

 

[Mick]

1) As is often the case in such books, the production model ships are better than the players can make using the construction rules. Same was true of Meks in A:2089

LBH

have work in a shipyard I have never seen a one off that was not better then a production model.

Basicly find a copy of D20 mech and use that

 

[lastbesthope]

Well I never said it was true in the real world :lol:

LBH

 

[Neo]

It never ceases to amuse me, when people make real life comparisons to RPG game issues.. "Why would X work in the game when it doesnt in real life"..

The "Why", is because it IS a game and therefore not bound by our own earthly limits, laws and strictures.

Suspend disbelief my friends... RPGs are not based on our realities finite limitations, but is instead bound only by what imagination and and a healthy dose of blue tack can weld together under the veil of tenuous fluffage for cover.

And for some of us at least... that is enough lol

 

[greenboy]

I think one off's should be better but should cost more