Shadizar Boxed Set Map?

[The King]

Do you mean a spear impalement a la Caligula: from the asshole throughout the body and out from the throat. Wouldn't it be a Shadizar-like penalty?

Ahh, Caligula, another exaggeratedly misrepresented individual...

I'd thought more in a Vlad Tepes "stylie" (victims apparently lived longer) on a long stake but your description'll do.
BTW, final toll of "The Terror" est. at 17,000...

Where do you get your sources? Soon you will tell me that Caligula was a great poet who did much to support humanism.
I don't know even only one source where this Emperor (along with Nero) wasn't described as mad, tyranical and sadistic.

17.000 dead only? In 10 years or during the 5 month period you told about?

 

[René]

Where do you get your sources? Soon you will tell me that Caligula was a great poet who did much to support humanism.
I don't know even only one source where this Emperor (along with Nero) wasn't described as mad, tyranical and sadistic.

Maybe this is because all Roman historians, who wrote about their emperors, were members of the aristocracy, i.e. the social class which was degraded by the emperors and hated them through and through: during the Roman republic they were the leading guys; after the Principat was installed they were more or less puppets in a theatre pretending that there still was a republic.

If you view the "mad" emperors, especially the prominent Caligula, from this perspective, their actions aren't so mad at all. There are a lot of academic (i.e. serious and well researched) books which discuss this.

Hail to the emperor! :wink:

 

[Samvail1]

Do you mean a spear impalement a la Caligula: from the asshole throughout the body and out from the throat. Wouldn't it be a Shadizar-like penalty?

In England, 1327, King Edward II was (reputedly) executed by having a red hot poker inserted into his anus (and beyond). He was supposedly executed this way for being homosexual.

The old boxed set for the Al Qadim game had some pretty nice large city maps in it. Too bad the artist didn't steal one of them. I just hope the redo map that Mongoose puts out keeps this in mind.

The Al Qadim is much more of the sort of map I would have expect for Shadizar.

Sam

 

[Pharoah Kromium]

Where do you get your sources? Soon you will tell me that Caligula was a great poet who did much to support humanism.
I don't know even only one source where this Emperor (along with Nero) wasn't described as mad, tyranical and sadistic.

Maybe this is because all Roman historians, who wrote about their emperors, were members of the aristocracy, i.e. the social class which was degraded by the emperors and hated them through and through: during the Roman republic they were the leading guys; after the Principat was installed they were more or less puppets in a theatre pretending that there still was a republic.

If you view the "mad" emperors, especially the prominent Caligula, from this perspective, their actions aren't so mad at all. There are a lot of academic (i.e. serious and well researched) books which discuss this.

Hail to the emperor! :wink:

Hurrah! Someone else who's gone beyond superficial headline grabbing sources. Caligula was almost certainly megalomaniacal, psychotic, possibly a sadist, however, he was also quite a capable emperor (e.g his Rhine campaign) and contrary to many accounts left a healthy budget surplus. Oh, and the people liked him. As Rene says, his big mistake was taking on the aristocrats and the Senate.

 

[Pharoah Kromium]

17.000 dead only? In 10 years or during the 5 month period you told about?

No, more than this died during the Revolutionary period (don't forget the "White Terror" as the Royalists also murdered a fair few thousand of their countrymen). The 17,000 are the victims of the Jacobins and others executed as a deliberate act of policy. To bring us back to the original point, there were less than 300 guillotined as an act of repression. I've yet to see your evidence for the "tens of thousands" guillotined....

 

[Pharoah Kromium]

In England, 1327, King Edward II was (reputedly) executed by having a red hot poker inserted into his anus (and beyond). He was supposedly executed this way for being homosexual.

Sam

He almost certainly was killed like this, mainly so as to leave no obvious outward sign of murder, they'd previously been trying to starve him.The homosexual angle was seen as a rather wry joke.... You can see the room where Edward was murdered at Berkley Castle in Gloucestershire.

 

[Samvail1]

In England, 1327, King Edward II was (reputedly) executed by having a red hot poker inserted into his anus (and beyond). He was supposedly executed this way for being homosexual.

Sam

He almost certainly was killed like this, mainly so as to leave no obvious outward sign of murder, they'd previously been trying to starve him.The homosexual angle was seen as a rather wry joke.... You can see the room where Edward was murdered at Berkley Castle in Gloucestershire.

Still, a nasty way to go, I think you will agree.

Sam

 

[ReptileJK]

My other complaint is that there is, to my mind, a lot of unnecessary fill. I feel like the page count was padded by only semi-useful material, like stat blocks for things like dancing girls and craftsmen of varying expertise, when that space could have been used for writing with more creativity and substance.

I actually disagree here. I absolutely love all the stats for different types of folks, especially progressing them through low mid and high levels. I think I would have liked 4 columns - 1st, 4th, 7th & 10th, but I can make due I think this was one of the strongest points of the boxed set and it makes me wish the previous products had something similiar...

I'm with Arkobla Conn on this. I want to spend all of what little time I have available for such things, writing the adventure. If I can avoid it, I'd rather not come up with NPC stats. The Shadizar box set provides them for us.

In my opinion, however, the strong point of the box set is the first book. I really like the detailed information regarding the people of Shadizar (and Zamora, in general). Including attitudes, religious beliefs, and even preferred clothing!

It all comes down to personal preference, however.

Reptile

 

[XcomSquaddie]

I'm kinda glad I missed this topic until this morning.

I'll just say that once again, Mongoose has proven themselves with their quick attention and attempts to resolve the matter.

I'm awarding cyber-cookies to Pharoah and Samvail, who managed to derail a thread so spectactularly. Going from a publishing snafu to the french Revoloution, to ramming red-hot pokers up ones anus is quite a feat. :shock:

And I'd give King a cyber-cookie, but I'm not going to even touch the comment about "roased buttholes" being a delicacy. :shock:

He can have a cyber-brownie...

 

[UncleBear]

Stoning and pressing were common as well.

I was thinking crucifixion, as it's appropriately Hyborean.

 

[The King]

Do you mean a spear impalement a la Caligula: from the asshole throughout the body and out from the throat. Wouldn't it be a Shadizar-like penalty?

In England, 1327, King Edward II was (reputedly) executed by having a red hot poker inserted into his anus (and beyond). He was supposedly executed this way for being homosexual....
Sam

I like all these kind of love the Christians showed and expressed to their brethens spreading the word of Jesus Christ... for the sake of their soul.

 

[The King]

17.000 dead only? In 10 years or during the 5 month period you told about?

No, more than this died during the Revolutionary period (don't forget the "White Terror" as the Royalists also murdered a fair few thousand of their countrymen). The 17,000 are the victims of the Jacobins and others executed as a deliberate act of policy. To bring us back to the original point, there were less than 300 guillotined as an act of repression. I've yet to see your evidence for the "tens of thousands" guillotined....

Ok I let you win on this point but I doubt there were only 300. Then may be.

 

[The King]

...And I'd give King a cyber-cookie, but I'm not going to even touch the comment about "roased buttholes" being a delicacy. :shock:

He can have a cyber-brownie...

Thanks for the brownie. But this is true. Do you think this people is just frog- and snail-eaters?
In fact I ate some snails once with garlic and butter and this is something quite acceptable.

 

[The King]

Stoning and pressing were common as well. And in fact stoning is the Biblical punishment for witchcraft....

I thought that magic was a gift from God. The Church propagated the idea of the pact with the devil but in the beginning it's with God that people (Jews) made a covenant (written on the devil snake's skin :lol: ).

 

[mthomason]

Going from a publishing snafu to the french Revoloution, to ramming red-hot pokers up ones anus is quite a feat. :shock:

I dunno... depends on what Matt S. has planned for that map artist

 

[Pharoah Kromium]

Do you mean a spear impalement a la Caligula: from the asshole throughout the body and out from the throat. Wouldn't it be a Shadizar-like penalty?

In England, 1327, King Edward II was (reputedly) executed by having a red hot poker inserted into his anus (and beyond). He was supposedly executed this way for being homosexual....
Sam

I like all these kind of love the Christians showed and expressed to their brethen spreading the word of Jesus Christ... for the sake of their soul.

He wasn't murdered for his homosexuality per se but for his incompetence and favouritism. His wife, Isabella, played a fairly big role in aiding his opponents, notably her lover.

 

[UncleBear]

I dunno... depends on what Matt S. has planned for that map artist

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnd... we're right back to Matt saying "heads will roll".

Damn it, now I've got that Judas Priest song stuck in my head.

 

[Pharoah Kromium]

My other complaint is that there is, to my mind, a lot of unnecessary fill. I feel like the page count was padded by only semi-useful material, like stat blocks for things like dancing girls and craftsmen of varying expertise, when that space could have been used for writing with more creativity and substance.

I actually disagree here. I absolutely love all the stats for different types of folks, especially progressing them through low mid and high levels. I think I would have liked 4 columns - 1st, 4th, 7th & 10th, but I can make due I think this was one of the strongest points of the boxed set and it makes me wish the previous products had something similiar...

I'm with Arkobla Conn on this. I want to spend all of what little time I have available for such things, writing the adventure. If I can avoid it, I'd rather not come up with NPC stats. The Shadizar box set provides them for us.

In my opinion, however, the strong point of the box set is the first book. I really like the detailed information regarding the people of Shadizar (and Zamora, in general). Including attitudes, religious beliefs, and even preferred clothing!

It all comes down to personal preference, however.

Reptile

Yep, I think the stats are useful as templates, easy to alter when writing the adventure rather than having to start from scratch.

 

[The King]

He wasn't murdered for his homosexuality per se but for his incompetence and favouritism. His wife, Isabella, played a fairly big role in aiding his opponents, notably her lover.

Thus you can see how difficult the life of a king is sometimes: always to have to wash, hum ... watch, one's back.

 

[Brass Jester]

Do you think the current Royal Family know of these incidents? They might be a bit more circumspect in future, after all, you've got to admit it must have stung a bit.