seen the minis, my oppinion
- Thread starter katadder
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I have yet to see the minis in the flesh, but I’ve been turned off evo by a number of things...
mostly its $60 AUD for a box of infantry.... for some comparisons most GW/EE troop boxes set you back about $50 AUD. while this was ok based on the sample photos (which looked A-Grade in my humble opinion and well worth the $$$) the current 'real' wave 1 production figs look terrible, the paint jobs are not worth it, and it seems that the plastic qualities is awful with the dreaded collectable mini game 'bendiness' visible in some figs for 3x the price in Aus.
on a more optimistic note, i loved the gaming system and the setting, i was shattered about the mini quality and i really hope that mongoose ether A: gets the pre paints back up to scratch OR B: offers a unpainted superior quality plastic set for a cheaper price. Also i would like to congratulate Mongoose on the tanks, the M1A2 and the Chally 2 look absolutely superb and ill will be GLADLY shelling out $55 AUD for them
well thats my 2 bob, sorry if it seemed to be a rant!
mostly its $60 AUD for a box of infantry.... for some comparisons most GW/EE troop boxes set you back about $50 AUD. while this was ok based on the sample photos (which looked A-Grade in my humble opinion and well worth the $$$) the current 'real' wave 1 production figs look terrible, the paint jobs are not worth it, and it seems that the plastic qualities is awful with the dreaded collectable mini game 'bendiness' visible in some figs for 3x the price in Aus.
on a more optimistic note, i loved the gaming system and the setting, i was shattered about the mini quality and i really hope that mongoose ether A: gets the pre paints back up to scratch OR B: offers a unpainted superior quality plastic set for a cheaper price. Also i would like to congratulate Mongoose on the tanks, the M1A2 and the Chally 2 look absolutely superb and ill will be GLADLY shelling out $55 AUD for them
well thats my 2 bob, sorry if it seemed to be a rant!
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
Turtle said:
Its no more "detailed" to have rifle range at say 48" than it is to say its 24".
SickBunny
Mongoose
Well, glad to be able to finally pipe in as well to this discussion with some empiric proof...
First of all, to all you finns out there, a full squad of MEA, PLA and EFTF are on display at Fantasiapelit, Helsinki.
My view on the models is that they are Shockingly small in comparison to the gigantism, hormonefed models of..well...everyone... including the ones I always viewed as fairly realistic, But saying that, they ARE true 28mm... I have done the measuring myself... and they are true scale...
and then the important bit... on the playing table, they look excellent... And for being so full of tiny details, they are generally ohkay painted... I Could do a better job, yes, but as this will be played and the models used for real gaming, the quality of painting is very good...
the plastic, as mentioned is very firm... very much akin to resin as I posted previously... there are a number of different bases that are then spread randomly for the models... randomly in that otherwise identical models have different bases with diiffering rockformation.
The paintjob is very similar to AT-43 first wave (started box) in that it is basic colours and a wash with the bases having an additional level of drybrushing added. but the details are much smaller than those in the AT-43 models, which makes it a bit less effective in appearance in a way. But I am not sure how much better of a job I'd do honestly if I was in a hurry to paint them up for a game. The detail is too small to do better unless you are willing to spend a Lot of time painting them. The detail being so small that I'd personally hesitate using Any drybrushing on the model itself...
On the brits and the PLA the camouflage is very convincing, once again for the size of the detail...
The bugeyes are not nearly as offensive when you realise the actual size of the eyes otherwise. Personally I would have left the eyes undone...
In our patch of preview models, there was not a single one that was leaning or had bent firearms... it seems like Mongoose saved the worst for themselves...
:lol:
Overall endresult.. I'd give them a solid 8... if the detail picks up from this level for the second wave, I will be shocked very positively...
I say go to your store when they get theirs and look at the mini's yourselves before making your judgement... in the internet its always easy to get wired and upset way before proof but I honestly urge you to check the models out in person...
First of all, to all you finns out there, a full squad of MEA, PLA and EFTF are on display at Fantasiapelit, Helsinki.
My view on the models is that they are Shockingly small in comparison to the gigantism, hormonefed models of..well...everyone... including the ones I always viewed as fairly realistic, But saying that, they ARE true 28mm... I have done the measuring myself... and they are true scale...
and then the important bit... on the playing table, they look excellent... And for being so full of tiny details, they are generally ohkay painted... I Could do a better job, yes, but as this will be played and the models used for real gaming, the quality of painting is very good...
the plastic, as mentioned is very firm... very much akin to resin as I posted previously... there are a number of different bases that are then spread randomly for the models... randomly in that otherwise identical models have different bases with diiffering rockformation.
The paintjob is very similar to AT-43 first wave (started box) in that it is basic colours and a wash with the bases having an additional level of drybrushing added. but the details are much smaller than those in the AT-43 models, which makes it a bit less effective in appearance in a way. But I am not sure how much better of a job I'd do honestly if I was in a hurry to paint them up for a game. The detail is too small to do better unless you are willing to spend a Lot of time painting them. The detail being so small that I'd personally hesitate using Any drybrushing on the model itself...
On the brits and the PLA the camouflage is very convincing, once again for the size of the detail...
The bugeyes are not nearly as offensive when you realise the actual size of the eyes otherwise. Personally I would have left the eyes undone...
In our patch of preview models, there was not a single one that was leaning or had bent firearms... it seems like Mongoose saved the worst for themselves...
:lol:
Overall endresult.. I'd give them a solid 8... if the detail picks up from this level for the second wave, I will be shocked very positively...
I say go to your store when they get theirs and look at the mini's yourselves before making your judgement... in the internet its always easy to get wired and upset way before proof but I honestly urge you to check the models out in person...
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Couldnt agree more. I was hugely pissed off with the first wave pics, and the second wave whilst a massive improvement are still nothing to write home about really, but they are after all, pictures so I will reserve final oppinion till I can actually see a box or two of them with my own eyes. Knowing my collosal level of willpower Ill probably cave in and buy them if theyre even remotely worthwile then 
Locutus9956 said:Couldnt agree more. I was hugely pissed off with the first wave pics, and the second wave whilst a massive improvement are still nothing to write home about really, but they are after all, pictures so I will reserve final oppinion till I can actually see a box or two of them with my own eyes. Knowing my collosal level of willpower Ill probably cave in and buy them if theyre even remotely worthwile then
Yup.
If I trusted the pictures I would have never got myself cougar exosuits for one(don't know why but I hated them from the pictures. Turns out I love them in flesh more than grizzlies whose pictures I just loved).
Pictures can be deceptive. I trust my own eyes more than them any day
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
Hogwash. Crossfire has unlimited range and plenty of movement going on. You just put more terrain on the table.
Additionally, I cant really imagine a scenario that doesnt involve moving to secure some objective or break through the enemy line.
Col. Hammer
Mongoose
Ok, I went to the local store, who had on display EFTF, MEA and chinese figs. My impressions on them:
1) They are much smaller than I expected! I thought them to be about the size of SST figs. They are smaller. It was a shock at first, but I got over it fast. I'm ok about the size.
The only thing that bothers me about the scale is that I cannot combine the BF and SST armies anymore. (can't fight Marines vs. CAP troopers games for example...). But the bugs work still fine for me. They are even more scary at this scale!!! I guess the Forth will work well too.
So no big deal. (Or does the SST evo have the figs at this new scale too?)
2) The paintjobs look fine at this scale! The pics are extreme closeups and they give the wrong impression about the paintjob. It looks fine, really, on the table. Even the big eyes are really small in real life.
After seeing the figs (and holding them in my hand) I can confidently say; They look fine. They won't need any touch up like I was prepared to give them...
I am not doubtful at all anymore. I'm back onboard 100% again.
Really, people, wait to see them for yourselves before deciding anything. As far as I'm concerned, BF:evo is back on the track. I hope this episode didn't scare off too many customers...
1) They are much smaller than I expected! I thought them to be about the size of SST figs. They are smaller. It was a shock at first, but I got over it fast. I'm ok about the size.
The only thing that bothers me about the scale is that I cannot combine the BF and SST armies anymore. (can't fight Marines vs. CAP troopers games for example...). But the bugs work still fine for me. They are even more scary at this scale!!! I guess the Forth will work well too.
So no big deal. (Or does the SST evo have the figs at this new scale too?)
2) The paintjobs look fine at this scale! The pics are extreme closeups and they give the wrong impression about the paintjob. It looks fine, really, on the table. Even the big eyes are really small in real life.
After seeing the figs (and holding them in my hand) I can confidently say; They look fine. They won't need any touch up like I was prepared to give them...
I am not doubtful at all anymore. I'm back onboard 100% again.
Really, people, wait to see them for yourselves before deciding anything. As far as I'm concerned, BF:evo is back on the track. I hope this episode didn't scare off too many customers...
Celisasu
Mongoose
The only problem with that plan here is that we don't have stores that sell Mongoose products. Everything we get has to be ordered online so the internet is the only source we have until I buy something(I seem to be the person who always takes the risks on new wargames around here). :lol:
Chiwie, I hear what you're saying mate, but the pics on the website are mega zoomed in and wouldn't do any minis justice. The minis are no where near as bad in the flesh as they look in the pics, in fact they're pretty good. I actually have to study them to see the worse thing from the pics (the eyes), but holding them up normally in front of me they look fine, even better when they're down on a table. Mongoose did themselves a disservice by taking pics zoomed in greater than would normally be expected.
You're right about them being pricey, they are, but a) they're made from good quality plastic (None of the ones I've seen are bendy at all) b) they're already fully assembled and painted including the base c) they're realistic sculpts of true 28mm human bodies, not "exaggerated" cartoons d) You walk into a store, buy what you need, put a cool painted army down on the table straight away and start playing - all within 10 minutes. Hell sign me up.
Brother Jim
Mongoose
can we get a picture of a cap trooper next to an evo infantry model ??
thanks
thanks
weasel_fierce said:
Did you notice the part of with terrain being more of limit? So basicly in that case range is of no concern and if you can see it you can shoot it would rule. Not that interesting either...
There would be then no range issues whatsoever in any situation...Well. Atleast it would simplify unit cards since no mention of ranges would be needed.
