seen the minis, my oppinion
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Locutus9956
Mongoose
Yes. Yes we do :wink:
Brother Jim
Mongoose
Mr Evil said:do you wish for it to be gold plated with dancing girls as well ?
No thanks, the dancing girls would probably keep me from noticing the minis and gold does nothing for me. :lol: :twisted: :roll:
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
Exactly
The idea that in modern combat troops can see each other but somehow be unable to fire upon each other is as absurd as it would be to have infantry move faster than jetplanes.
Except that this is a game not a simulation. You're pushing little toy soldiers around on a table and rolling dice. This is not a simulation, nor has BFE ever tried to be a simulation. If you want a simulation, there's plenty of other more realism oriented moderns out there. I like the emphasis of gameplay more than realism, and overall it works.
Those of you who are complaining about ranges have you even played the game yet? I have, it works just fine and does as intended.
Those of you who are complaining about ranges have you even played the game yet? I have, it works just fine and does as intended.
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
Turtle said:
Any wargame is a simulation of warfare. The "just a game" argument fails to realize that noone is calling for big complex calculations. Only a game model that actually seems semi-plausible.
As for the second question, yes I have, using the playtest rules and the stats published on the other thread. On a small table, it works since everything is in range. On a 4 by 6 or 6 by 8 table (typical game store size ) it becomes retarded.
weasel_fierce said:
Okay so this pistol here fires unlimited range...Hmmmm...
But in the end it's about dynamic game. Unlimited ranges do not support that. And add also extra burden for starting players. Imagine starting BF:Evo players who start game and learn that first thing they need is HUGE amount of terrain...
We are talking about GAME here. Not simulator...
weasel_fierce said:
Game needs more than simple enough rules to grasp. It needs to be DYNAMIC and INTERESTING as well. Easy enough to start with(not like: Buy models, make huge amount of terrain, THEN play...) doesn't hurt either.
What works in simulation does not automaticly work in game.
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
We are talking about rifles and other infantry weapons. None of the units shown so far carry pistols, or even SMG's where range would be a factortneva82 said:
Again, unsupported bullhockey. Unrestricted range encourages dynamic play, because you cannot simply crawl around on the edge of the table, and rely on an arbitrary invisible wall to protect you. You have to utilize terrain and leapfrog between positions.
Setting up a table with 2 trees, a house and nothing else on a 4 by 6 foot table may work for 40K, but how interesting to look at is that ?
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
So why complicate the rules further by adding arbitrary range values that players have to memorize, and which even differ depending on what nation you choose to play ?
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
Your statement is not supported by actual evidence. Go out there and try it out, on a decently set up table. You'll be surprised.
In any event, this is beginning to sound like a broken record for both of us. Back to talking about the mini's.
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
tneva82 said:
But what about terrain blocking LOS? Wouldn't that offer an incentive to move, irrrespective of ranges?
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
What was the terrain layout ? As a general rule, there should not be a clear line of sight from one deployment area across the table to another.
A mostly empty table gives a crap game, regardless of weapon ranges. If we used weapon ranges on the same table, you get the same result, but with 2 turns of moving into range first (or just sniping with machine guns, while standing still)
MaxSteiner
Mongoose
But isn't that what Weasel_Fierce was proposing?
Actually that is one of the things I like about AT-43, how weapons have different effective ranges, without there being a max range.
Actually that is one of the things I like about AT-43, how weapons have different effective ranges, without there being a max range.
127th Angry Angels
Mongoose
It's easy to come up with terrain on the cheap. If you're not bothered on it looking great to start with (cos you don't know you're going to stick at it) you can use all manner of household items. My favourite is raiding the packaging of large house items. Polystyrene galore!
If the game is worth playing you'll find a way.
If the game is worth playing you'll find a way.
