seen the minis, my oppinion

tnjrp said:
As the pix I've seen haven't made me all hot-and-bothered-like to purchase BF:E-stuff (and in fact have instilled in me a certain forebonding as to the quality of the upcoming SST:E stuff as well) I would also like to hear more testimonies from Johnny Q. Public (as opposed to retailers and the like who, let's face it, do have a bit of a vested interest in seeing this product sell).

With minimum ranting if you please :wink:

well i am not a retailer and started this thread. like i said the pictures make them look worse but the paint job still isnt upto scratch. the minis are small and 8 is lucky if it worth a fiver let alone 20. they feel cheap and look cheap.
better off getting a pack of 99p plastic green soldiers IMO.
 
katadder said:
well i am not a retailer and started this thread
I assumed you weren't which is why I wrote "more". And I do believe your opinion to be an honest one. Still, it's only one opinion: I'd like to see many.
 
Just a bit courius

If you are not playing and never planned on playing, also not a retailer, why are you so concerned with the BFEvo line?


Most folks I have talked to about it like the concept, and want to see the figs. The idea of not having to paint to play is a great thing to me, I have 2 finished armies of GW, 3 unfinished, 3 FOW unfinished, and way too many figs not painted. To pull it from the boxes, lay out some terrain and play sounds like great FUN. I hope more compaines look at prepaints, then the painting will get better, I like to model some as well, but I can save that for terrain for a while, I'll always paint some, but I would Rather be playing.

Prepainted means to me my rank and file are mostly done, I'll detail leaders and such more but thats about it.

As for size, if they are True 28mm not the going 30-34mm that can carry 1/35th scale weapons (and the weapons look small), I am all for it.

I used 1/35th WWII weapons on my Imperial Guard, the weapons ended up looking small, even though scale wise they should have been huge.

If you do not like it that is fine, but it is odd to hear you attack it so, when you were never going to play in the first place.

I hope you find what you are looking for, whatever it may be
Good Gaming
Lee
 
wjere does it say i never intended to play orginally? i was considering it, and the orginal pics the models looked nice but having seen them in the flesh is enough to put me off this game, or at least the minis for it.
 
I like a variety of Beer.

As far as BF EVO goes, I'll buy the game, thats a given, as for the minis, I'll wait and see. So far from the photos my answer is no. At their price and the low quality of the paints, If I have to repaint to be happy I can buy better sculpts from historical manufacturers for less.

The AT43 is nice stuff, but I really don't need another set of sci-fi minis, what I need is a good set of rules for the minis I have. Im looking forward to SST EVO for the cleaned up rules. I won't need the prepaints, I have plenty of my own painted. (still have about 30 more warriors to paint one day.)

It comes down to buy what you like, its up to the manufactures to make it likable.
 
Just a blanket appology for my spelling ad/or grammer. I'm usually holding an infant in one arm while rocking and typing with another. That and this keyboard can be touchy.

As for SST, I think it's got 2 things going. No real world comparisons and simpler paint schemes. No pre paints will ever satisfy everone. You just need to decide what you like and buy those....
 
CudaHP said:
Irashaine1972,
Here take my wallet AND my bank account just phuleaze give me a pile of your barell-o-monkey junk!

Seriously amazes me. So if you like this stuff and want to get behind it so be it. Doesnt change the fact that the sculpts are just terrible made worse because the casting process is obviously not high standard. I con cede that the wave 2 pics are better painting than the wave ones but still not great. In all honesty I have no interest in the game anyway. But I DO collect SST and love the models. I have done thousands of GW models in my day(20 years worth) and have seen them evolve for along time and the SST stuff is in many cases just as good. I happen to think the exosuits are outstanding miniatures. This stuff is simply mass marketed mass produced instant gratification. MGP is simply trying to get a cut of the pre-painted craze. Sad. When the CCG craze began how many companies jumped on it and how many CCGs no longer exhist some taking the companies with them? More than I care to remember. So it will be with the mini market I imagine. Really good miniature game companies with a good line of figs have the potential to stay around for years and decades. MGP has/had a great line of miniatures and wargames with a small(compared to some) but dedicated following. Now they are dumping all of that for THIS???? I can buy so much great miniature gaming product for the money. While I dont care about this game anyway I DO love SST but this is the sign of whats to come and I am definetly NOT buying SST in this format. When this craze dies down and people lose interest in it because hobbywise it has no substance then where will they stand? Whats the long term here? Devoted gamers and hobbyists who will and regularly DO pay top dollar for models simply because they can participate in there hobby alone when they are not gaming or the quick fix pie in the sky? I mean lets be real here. Rakahm has both bases covered at this point. Their HUGE popular COnfrontation line (people were going crazy over these things from day one when they could only order directly from europe and had to wait 6+ months just to get their orders). And they have their pre-paint line now. Seems like the smarter decision. Oh well...............thats my opinion.
Great (Note Sarcasm), regurgitation of the "Hobby" Argument of the EE. . . .

Unfortunately not a valid argument from many peoples' viewpoint.

I am not currently interested in BF Evo, however Rackham has pretty but pain in the butt to assemble figs.

Pre painted or not is a very personal choice for each Game Playing Consumer.

Your decision not to purchase is your choice.

To equate MGPs products with Barrel 'O Mankeys is a poor metaphor, and inaccurate as well.

I can paint better, yes but many players cannot, or do not, or will not paint any better than the prepaints of either wave.

I have played mostly far worse painted figures and armies over many years, over 80 per cent of the armies I have played against at local stores and even in tournaments, are of far lesser quality.

For this reason (over 40 years of game playing, and as an ex-Outrider for GW {16 years}) and many others: I feel your criticism is overly harsh and inaccurate. Casting process?? (Injection molded plastic, not cast metal or plastic)

As I said before, it is completely your right to purchase what you wish to purchase.

I myself am currently concentrating on WW II historicals via Flames of War.

Enjoy whatever you choose to do. :) :)

I could go through and refute your statements line by line, but too many on this forum become offended by the application of logic to illogical statements and I do not choose to start an argument over figures that I haven't seen more than one or two of. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Hobby, Hobby, Hobby :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: sic semper EE

If that makes me sound like the "EE" or GW well then good. I ceased to respect and support them along time ago because of their policies NOT the quality of product but this stuff for the price makes them look good. While I wouldnt dump my money on them anymore I certainly wont dump it on this either. My concern is primarily for the SST line. I think it is a great product for the price. If I drop $30 on a box of exosuits I am pretty happy with what I get for my buck. I could never in a million years see myself dropping $30 on a box of these things. And by the way I applaude you for investing in FoW. It is a great game. Not perfect but none are. So I respect you as a hobbyist. Its a funny thing sort of a divided camp. Let me put it this way. I collected tons of clix,DDM and SWM. The games were fast and ammusing but I found myself wanting more that just wasnt in the offing. You could refute whatever you like. I suppose in the end its just one opinion refuting another opinion. Neither of our opinions will change as a result so be it. I just think that turning a great line of very promising game systems into something else is a shame.
 
i have NEVER played a miniatures game before. Once i tried to get into warhammer and ran out of time and patience to paint the models. I gave up. Because I hear the rules of this game are great, and since the models are prepainted, and the 2nd wave is good enough for me and my friend, we WILL get into this game. End of story...unless the wave 2s end up looking horrible. Then i'll get into AT-34 or wait to see how SST turns out...but as of now, BF:Evo will be my first mini game ever. yay mongoose.
 
asgelb said:
i have NEVER played a miniatures game before. Once i tried to get into warhammer and ran out of time and patience to paint the models. I gave up. Because I hear the rules of this game are great, and since the models are prepainted, and the 2nd wave is good enough for me and my friend, we WILL get into this game. End of story...unless the wave 2s end up looking horrible. Then i'll get into AT-34 or wait to see how SST turns out...but as of now, BF:Evo will be my first mini game ever. yay mongoose.


the bf evo is the better of the 2 game systems in my opinion, i play AT-43 and it doese seem more complex for less activity tht BF-evo.

BF-evo is the more dynamic of the 2 game systems with better net support and help from fellow mongoosers, while AT-43 is in my opinion better in the mini department.

i will probably do both but i bet i will be playing BF-evo more as every game is a eurika moment in how to combine units actions for some spectctular plays, while AT-43 often leaves me feeling a bit empty after a game :(


so if minis are whats important, go AT-43, if its fun simplicity and game play and the ability to practicly do anything, then BF-evo.
 
I agree with Mr Evil's assessment. BFE and probably the new SSTE has a lot more going for it int he rules department. They took the original SST rules, known for having a great interconnected series of good rules, and expanded and cleaned it up for evolution. Also the rules you get for free online and in the box are core rules, anything else is just added on advanced rules such as firing from a height, or how to handle airdrops.

With AT-43, they're basic rules are basic and stripped down, we don't actually know what we're getting with the full rules. That's not to say the rules aren't fun, in fact I quite like them, but they're simpler than BFE so far and don't have that subtle interplay between action/reaction, shooting, and suppression.
 
Mac V said:
How do you type with an infant?

Mostly I hold his ankles and bang the keys with his head. :D

just kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!

He holds the baby near keyboard.

The kid does the typing with toes, like tap dancing sort of.

:)

I hope the child brings you and yours much happiness!

Lee
 
Okay so us mushrooms in Oz are the last to see the minis in the flesh and this thread is three pages in but I'm going to have my bloody say so listen up.

First impression - they are smaller than I imagined. But after measuring one they aren't actually small in height but rather are simply sculpted anatomically correct (as opposed to the cartoon figures we are used to from other manufacturers) and so appear under-scale. Toe to eyeball they measure around 28mm. The dirka mini I sighted is slightly bigger, he’s closer to 30mm. The troops look spot on next to a 1:61 matchbox car so finding civilian vehicles for terrain pieces will be no problem.
Conclusion - I’m very happy with the scale and size of the minis.

Close examination - Okay the paint jobs aren’t the best but they’re not crap by any extent and if the Wave 2 ones are better as they say then I‘ll be a happy camper. The only really crap painting is the faces (the eyes) but when I put them down on a table I’m sitting by (which is how I‘ll be viewing them anyway) they look fine. They definitely look better in the flesh than they do in the pics on the website. The sculpts look better in the flesh as well, they’re not as wooden as they appear in the pics.
Conclusion - I’m fine with these paintjobs. They’re only slightly worse than I can paint anyway but without all the time and effort spent. I could always touch them up if I wanted and add a bit more shading and highlights. I probably won’t though. I’d rather spend my time gaming with them than painting them.

Final Thoughts - All in all, I really like them. Sure the good painters around won’t like them, but I’m not a good painter so stick it in your bum. It’s about time us sucky painters had cool minis that aren’t all silver. They’re better than any other pre-painted minis I have ever seen in the flesh. Now just release the bloody game so I can buy some.
 
Secesh said:
Okay so us mushrooms in Oz are the last to see the minis in the flesh and this thread is three pages in but I'm going to have my bloody say so listen up
The thread may be long but it is also for the most part about something else than actual "seen them in the flesh" reports. So while you may have been one of the last to see them, you still were one of the first to say it (on this thread anyways).
 
I have seen the actual models and I think they are pretty good. I can see that if you are an expert painter you may have a problem with the paint job. My level of painting is at the barely able to use washes and still learning to dry brush stage. That said I think the paint job is very good. I would have no problem putting them down on the game table.

My interest in the game was two fold. First I like modern combat system but have found that historical gaming rules just take to long to play. These rules are very sound and allow for quick battles that still have the feel of modern combat. Second, I did not want another army to paint so the prepainted miniatures was a big draw. I am way behind on painting my other armies and unfortunately do not have alot of time to paint.

In closing, these minis look nice. If you are a not an expert painter, I think you will find the quality of the paint job to be good. I also expect that Mongoose will continue to improve on the quality.
 
BF:Evo was dead to me even before the "scandal". i have 108 moderns already, From tag(had them for about 2 years). When it came out that they were the next best thing to 1/64th, I decided not to get them, as they would look silly next to my current figures. I can't even use the vehicles, as they would look silly.

All the better, since it frees up money.

plus, for a quasi-modern game, the ranges drive me crazy. 20-24 inches for a rifles? 72" for a modern tank gun? Who is smoking what, cuz i want some.

Steve
 
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