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[chaos0xomega]

How about this?

Habbakuk class Aircraft Carrier


Ships of this class: Habbakuk

Speed: 2”
Turning: 1
Target: 3+
Armour: 5+
Damage: 1200/400
Crew: 200/66
Special Traits: Armoured Deck, Carrier, Radar
In Service: 1944
Aircraft: 25 flights (select from Firefly, Avenger, Seafire, Mosquito, Barracuda)

Weapon Range / AD / DD / Special
Secondary Armament 12” / 10 / 1 / Weak
AAA 8” / 20 -

Length: 2000 ft.
Displacement: 2,000,000 tons
Speed: 10 kts.
Crew: 5,000

Damage points are boosted to reflect the inherent buoyancy of Pykrete

Hmm... not bad, though 25 flights seems a bit low for me(assuming 4 planes per flight), it was supposed to be able to carry 150 planes, so, I would personally opt for 30(so then you could say 5 planes per flight, or that some craft are not usable or whatever).

I was going to reprimand you on the armor rating of 5+, as from what I understand, it would have taken a HELL of a lot of firepower to even put a small leak into it(40 foot thick walls, pykrete being hard to penetrate(ala the handgun that ricocheted off of it at the meeting).

The secondary armament should be boosted a bit though IMO(make it 12" 20 1 Weak) as there were 40 dual barrel 4.5" guns(so technically 80 shots at a full broadside...). Also, they were apparently "D-P" (dual purpose) guns which leads me to believe that they had some capability as aa guns(I dont actually know what a dual purpose gun is...), so the AA capability should probably get a boost too.

Another gripe, 1 turn is WAY too much, that thing would take FOREVER to turn, maybe make it 1/4 turns a turn so it takes 4 turns for it to come to a new heading? oh and as for target, definitely 2+. You'd have to be an Imperial stormtrooper to not hit that thing. I'd lessen the critical limit on damage too. Maybe make that 300 instead(or is there some ratio I dont know about?)

And is Armored Deck really that fitting?

Oh and for ships of this class, you might want to change it to Habakkuk (1-100). What a crazy man that Churchill was...

Oh and since you didnt give it a PL level, can I take a stab at it? Since we dont have access to Armageddon PL levels, how about 20 War points? Or do you think maybe that might be too much? Lets call it 10 War maybe? 5?

ANYWAY, DM, will we getting PL levels for the ships that were put out in this months S&P(New Meckico, Wickes etc.)?

 

[DM]

I misread the AA fit as guns not turrets. "Dual Purpose" does indeed mean capable against surface and air targets. As astarting point, double the AA and secondary ADs.

Armoured deck seems OK given the depth of the ship and the hangars within. Oh, it should have "torpedo belt" as well since the sheer breadth and natural buoyancy of the hull matrial would provide good protection against contact underwater explosions.

Ok, if you insist, target 2+

And turning every other turn (although I was tempted to say that you just stick it in the middle of the table and leave it where it is - this thing

I'd probably also go for armour 6+ rather than 5+ given the sheer size of the thing. "Critical Hits" are probably also not appropriate given the enormous redundancy and separation in the vessel.

25 flights works out OK against the VAS standard of 6-aircraft flights.

Happy to go with whatever is suggested for points / PLs as long as its a rasoned argument (as you may have guessed I don't like or use PLs myself )

 

[juggler69uk]

does it "melt" in the tropics ?

 

[BuShips]

does it "melt" in the tropics ?

Not only that, but it suffers a global warming modifier starting in 1945. :wink:

 

[hunter335]

Aquila class carrier

Condottieri classes and its 5 subclasses (Di Giussano -of which della Bande Nera is a part-, Cadorna, Duca D`Aosta, Duca degli Abbruzi and Montecuccoli)

Soldati class destroyers

yesssssssssssssssssssss

and

aquila carrier

BB
GIULIO CESARE
CONTE DI CAVOUR

cruiser
ALBERICO DA BARBIANO
LUIGI CADORNA
ALBERTO DA GIUSSANO
ARMANDO DIAZ
EUGENIO DI SAVOIA
DUCA D'AOSTA
MUZIO ATTENDOLO
RAIMONDO MONTECUCCOLI4

 

[chaos0xomega]

does it "melt" in the tropics ?

Nope, its not ice, but a mixture of sawdust and ice. The effect of sawdust on ice is the opposite of that of salt. Salt lowers the melting point of ice, sawdust raises it. So instead of melting at 0C, it melts at say... 25C? Not only that but it has a MASSIVE refrigeration system to keep it cool.

OH, and someone once mentioned a Japanese surface vessel with 40 torpedo tubes? Anyone care to stat that up?

 

[BuShips]

OH, and someone once mentioned a Japanese surface vessel with 40 torpedo tubes? Anyone care to stat that up?

If you want an "unofficial" proxy to play with, use the Sendai class CL stats and raise the port and starboard torpedo factor of 2AD to 10AD. The Sendai was a close "cousin" to the Kuma class and had a p/s quad 24" Long Lance launcher. The Kitakami and Oi however (altered Kuma class light cruisers) had five of those quad torpedo mounts along each side of the ship. It's a simple mod and while not official gives you an idea of how it might work if added to the game later. You can "google" or "wiki" the historical Kitakami conversion of the Kuma class light cruiser, or go to a good site like:

http://www.combinedfleet.com/kitakami_t.htm

Here is a model of the Oi-
http://www.hlj.com/product/PITW-46

Read the very bottom of this page, as it mentions a limitation in firing the torps at a single target and not all over the map (darn it, lol)-

http://www.avalanchepress.com/TorpedoCruisers.php?mode=print

Here is a model of the ship, as it should bring a smile like this :arrow: :twisted:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-99070443033743_1948_8445590

 

[chaos0xomega]

Yeah so someone want to stat up those ships he just talked about and submit them to S&P?

 

[BuShips]

Yeah so someone want to stat up those ships he just talked about and submit them to S&P?

As to that, my guess is that it's been done. I'd even venture to say that it's been done by more than one person, and already submitted. Do I know this for sure? Nope. Then there is the possibility that it will appear in a supplement for the game that finds its way out there. If you ever find yourself facing one of these ships across the table just remember that they are a rather fragile ship. There might be other limitations as well on their use, like limiting them to a 1942 ISD (and not after, at least not in that configuration). Although not brought back to their original configuration, they did lose several quad mounts in the latter part of 1942 and all of 1943. At first they were modified to carry Daihatsu landing craft and at least four quad mounts were landed. The Oi never survived to see 1945, but the Kitakami was converted (due to prior damage) into a carrier of Kaiten suicide mini-submarines in 1945. As far as Long Lance torpedoes, it was de-fanged. An interesting fact regarding these two ships is that their fates were both sealed by allied submarine torpedoes. The Oi was sunk by the U.S. submarine Flasher and the Kitakami was damaged by the submarine HMS Templar. This caused the removal of all but two boilers and the removal of the torpedo mounts from the Kitakami, thus taking her out of the torpedo cruiser "business".

 

[hyndridge]

How about this?

Habbakuk class Aircraft Carrier


Ships of this class: Habbakuk

Speed: 2”
Turning: 1
Target: 3+
Armour: 5+
Damage: 1200/400
Crew: 200/66
Special Traits: Armoured Deck, Carrier, Radar
In Service: 1944
Aircraft: 25 flights (select from Firefly, Avenger, Seafire, Mosquito, Barracuda)

Weapon Range / AD / DD / Special
Secondary Armament 12” / 10 / 1 / Weak
AAA 8” / 20 -

Length: 2000 ft.
Displacement: 2,000,000 tons
Speed: 10 kts.
Crew: 5,000

Damage points are boosted to reflect the inherent buoyancy of Pykrete

Am I the only one to have no idea what you are talking about?

Roland

 

[E Nicely]

As to that, my guess is that it's been done. I'd even venture to say that it's been done by more than one person, and already submitted. Do I know this for sure? Nope. Then there is the possibility that it will appear in a supplement for the game that finds its way out there.

Do I know this for sure? Yep. The Kitikami will appear in printed form. IJN players might make real kamikaze attacks on Mongoose HQ if Kitikami *didn't* appear.

Until it's out BuShip's suggestion of using modified Sendai stats would be a good way to play it.

 

[DM]

Am I the only one to have no idea what you are talking about?

I get that a lot

Try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

 

[chaos0xomega]

Oh, and one last thing on the subject of Habakkuk stats, shouldn't it have the option to take USN aircraft as well? I always thought Habakkuk was a joint venture between the USN and the RN?

 

[DM]

Possibly, although the illustrations I've seen appear to feature UK-only aircraft.

 

[juggler69uk]

Link if you want to read
http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/info_sheets_Habbakkuk.htm