S&P 47

[MaxSteiner]

:evil:

Angry....



Dissapointed....

:roll:

Utterly unsuprised....



.... The only good thing about this entire 'big announcement' from my point of view is that I don't play BF:E!
My favourite bit in the article was how it never actually came out and said there was another delay, and instead just jumped straight into the reasons why...

Im desperatly trying not to sound to hard on the 'goose, bur I really think this is a cock up of epic proportions...

 

[MarkNorfolk]

Well. disappointing, but understandable. This is why GW stay tight-lipped about future releases and don't release until pretty much everything is ready to go according to a carefully pre-planned timetable.

A good excuse to keep playing v.1. At least for us MI there will be no conflict between ACtA and SST:E.

Cheers
Mark

 

[Goldwyrm]

More information than I had before, so I found the explanation useful and sincere. It seems to me that many of the quality, timing, and production supply issues have to do with the typical difficulties of involving outside suppliers in a new product. I hope that Mongoose will be able to bring some or all of this work in-house in the future, so they have more direct control over the process.

I don't play BF:Evo but I will be returning to this S&P later to read the GoMC:1 and B5:ACTA articles.

I'll also be taking advantage of the 10% Off GenCon coupon.

 

[Avenger6]

If you can't get the pre-paints out then D#%it go back to metal and get on with the game!!!!
Since when would problems with the mini's prevent the release of the rules!!!!
Look at all the rpg game supplements they are releasing this month alone. You could choke a rhino with all the rpg paper they are dumping out.

As has been pointed out we all have MI, Bug or Skinny armies to use. Just give us the new rulebook. My FLGS is sitting on hundreds of dollars of product (purchased at normal wholesale rates), while MGP discounts it's product (below wholesale) in an attempt to clear out it's warehouse. Not exactly a move designed to make MGP popular with the owner of my store.

At the demo's I run I will now begin my second year of telling people that "the new game will be out soon". Wow I feel good about that!!!

Put the pre-paint experiment out of it's MISERY and GET ON WITH IT, AS A METAL GAME!

And AT-43 rolls on.

 

[tneva82]

If you can't get the pre-paints out then D#%it go back to metal and get on with the game!!!!
Since when would problems with the mini's prevent the release of the rules!!!!

Maybe you missed the bit in article where they hint at releasing lists allowing you to use original armies with evolution rules when they figure out how to present them...

Ah well. Negative attitude as usual in this forum. Seems nothing changes here.

 

[MongooseMatt]

while MGP discounts it's product (below wholesale) in an attempt to clear out it's warehouse. Not exactly a move designed to make MGP popular with the owner of my store.

This is absolutely not true. We have never sold items below wholesale, and the discounts we currently offer were given to retailers and distributors a couple of months before they appeared on our site.

 

[tnjrp]

I sorta agree on that for Mongoose to just bite the bullet (that is, put out the core rulebook and the lists Mr. Sprange mentions in the article*) might make sense at this point.

It would definitely eat from the sales of the Evo minis, but the fact(s) that many people consider the game dead or even see themselves as having been betrayed by Mongoose will also eat into those sales. I think it's also possible -- maybe a remote one -- that the current situation may stigamatise the entire line (or may have done so) so that no matter when, no matter what, public will largely steer clear of STE minis.

Another alternative, maybe less viable (as I don't see it placating as many people) would be to release the current non-Evo rules and army books as free downloads so people wouldn't have to invest (directly) in soon-to-be-obsolete stuff to play with the currently available models.

Then again, I'm not into miniature business so I wouldn't certainly take my own advice about how to conduct such :wink:

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*) which I found quite sensible and intelligible, albeit entirely predictable and partially needlessly repetitive of known facts about Mongoose's modus operandi

 

[kyryian]

Well this is basically the end. For SST:EVO this means back to the drawing board. Adding the fact that there is no ETA on Release i would guess that the whole project will getr shelved until Spring next year. In the meantime they shold get out more V1 Models, like the dropship, Tac Fighter and Slingshot, that should keep the fans at bay

 

[Rob_A]

I think you're all too uptight and impatient.
Give them time to sort it out. Games take a while, it's a shame they told us.
Problems do happen, but time gives us the best of things.
Like they said, they will post the rules for all the armies currently available up onto the internet for us for free use. What more can you ask? All I've wanted is to be able to play the game!

 

[kyryian]

I think you're all too uptight and impatient.
Give them time to sort it out. Games take a while, it's a shame they told us.
Problems do happen, but time gives us the best of things.
Like they said, they will post the rules for all the armies currently available up onto the internet for us for free use. What more can you ask? All I've wanted is to be able to play the game!

Which will do what exactly? People who have V1 minis will play with V1 rules, since they are more flexible and fun to begin with (And yes I did play BF:EVO). There is no need to Demo with the EVO rules. All you will do is create even more hype, to which you have to say, "Sorry kid, if you wanna play, you still gotta assemble and paint, since the prepainted models won't come out for another year".

 

[katadder]

and some of us are waitig for Evo to get into the game, specifically the Forth.
kind of losing interest now, got far more things to spend my money on. Hordes Evolution is out this month yay.

 

[Poi]

The problem (if it can be called such) appears to be that demand for prepaints is much higher than anticipated.

I know I'll be getting some.

For now, I'm happy to finish my Roughnecks platoon and play with them until Evo comes about. I may even get some MEA to use as colony forces (from the S&P article).

 

[Gauntlet-]

We all expected a delay... so I am not sad about it.

We all known of Mongoose's problems regarding delays, turn arounds, and various issues... so I don't much mind or care about more.

There is no delay for the rules, and frankly thats what annoys me.

Give me the damn rule book to buy already, I could get people to invest allot of money (more) if we had the new rules out at least.


The bit that confuses me: this stuff about 'demand' for releases 'each month' thats entirely an invention of Mongoose trying to create hype or simply being overly ambitious. I don't expect a release each month, I expect whatever I get whenever I get, but when you tell us each month, season, and year that you have this schedule... and then you throw it away....

well its not the first time either... so YES we start to watch and bet on release dates because its so fascinating to see if it comes out or not. The off chance that it will one day is just too rare not to look for constantly...

If mongoose didn't constantly assure us with schedules maybe we wouldn't expect them to meet one. :roll:

Time to make my own rule set... again lol.

 

[MaxSteiner]

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Ah well. Negative attitude as usual in this forum. Seems nothing changes here.

Tneva, all I ever hear you do is complain about negativity on the forums. I havent actually seen you say anything positive about the game in a year or so

Mongoose have dropped the ball here big time. They have a perfectly good minature range (... well theres alot of dross in there to be tottally honest but the core range is ok), why not just release the rulebook as someones said? I think offering all the books as a free download is definatly a good idea too. Both of these will drive up sales, which has gotta be a good thing.

Fact is Mongoose needs to do something, because despite what they seem to think, SST doesnt exist in a vacuum, theres plenty of other worthy system out there with actual releases.
I love the V1 rules and will continue to use them for years to come, but I wasn't overly keen on the Evo rules they just seem to cut down compared to what Im used too, and the delays aren't helping.
Most players only have room for one game of each genre in their hearts, and if I was the sort of person whos allergic to painting, I really think Id go for AT-43 (Especially since Matt let slip that their prices are going to be about as high...) at least its out right now and has new models coming out fairly regurlaly.

 

[MaxSteiner]

If mongoose didn't constantly assure us with schedules maybe we wouldn't expect them to meet one. :roll:

Time to make my own rule set... again lol.

 

[Gauntlet-]

I suppose in the mean time this means that the regular models will remain

Stupid-tastically Cheap

from several online sources.... as I am not allergic to painting this is a good thing for me lol

Time to get me that transformer toy and make a dropship lol

 

[JoseDominguez]

I think you're all too uptight and impatient.
Give them time to sort it out. Games take a while, it's a shame they told us.
Problems do happen, but time gives us the best of things.
Like they said, they will post the rules for all the armies currently available up onto the internet for us for free use. What more can you ask? All I've wanted is to be able to play the game!

Yup, damn mongoose for keeping us informed.
They should have left the announcement until they had a warehouse full of pre-paints then told us everything we'd just bought for SST v1 was obsolete.

None of this has been deliberate in any way, in fact, the only 'mistake' mongoose made was, as Rob says telling us what they were working on. I saw that as a company that was primarily made up of gamers doing what gamers would want...... being kept bang up to date on the evolution of their game.
My only worry from this is next time, they'll pull a GW and leave the announcement until everything is ready, save them lots of hassle.

Seriously, the game is delayed, it's costing Mongoose money, but at the end of the day, it hasn't cost us anything has it? We didn't buy v1 then find it was being replaced did we?
They've done everything for the right reasons, we are going to have to wait. Big deal. Have some perspective, for us it's a hobby, for the people producing the game it's their livelihood, I don't think they orchestrated the delays to piss us off did they?

 

[Goldwyrm]

Seriously, the game is delayed, it's costing Mongoose money, but at the end of the day, it hasn't cost us anything has it? We didn't buy v1 then find it was being replaced did we?
They've done everything for the right reasons, we are going to have to wait. Big deal. Have some perspective, for us it's a hobby, for the people producing the game it's their livelihood, I don't think they orchestrated the delays to piss us off did they?

I couldn't agree more. I did buy the existing game only months before the first Evo announcement. But I liked the game already in my hands and saw the opportunities present themselves to rapidly expand my collection in anticipation of something new.

Thanks for the cool clap link, Max. :wink:

I really respect Mongoose for communicating during this ongoing process rather than dropping a new edition on existing players unexpectedly. I am however reminded of the age old saying "No good deed goes unpunished." I wonder if in hindsight they might be wishing they'd played their cards a bit tighter to their chest until all the indicating lights were a go.
I'm hoping that all the recent criticism won't make Mongoose retreat from the values that they're trying to maintain in their open communications with their customers and allowing a lot of diverse viewpoints on their forums.

 

[MaxSteiner]

lol no problem, someone linked me to it the other week

 

[Xorrandor]

Like they said, they will post the rules for all the armies currently available up onto the internet for us for free use. What more can you ask?

What more can I ask? That they post the rules for all the armies currently available up onto the Internet. Saying they are going to is nice, but it would be nicer to actually do it.

I didn't see one word saying that the rules were holding things up. Everything was about factory difficulties in making the minis. Fine, I've run into factory difficulties myself, in my actual job. But if the rules are done, publish them. If the cards are done, publish them. If you want to charge, then charge; if you want to give them away free, give them away.