Runes

[Voriof]

Yeah, I know. But aren't we here to help fix the baby?

"Never buy version 1.0 of anything!"

Of course, the collorary of this is never complain when a favorite system you never bothered to buy goes out of print. That's on Nick's list too. :roll:

Jeff

 

[Trifletraxor]

Yeah, I know. But aren't we here to help fix the baby?

"Never buy version 1.0 of anything!"

Of course, the collorary of this is never complain when a favorite system you never bothered to buy goes out of print. That's on Nick's list too. :roll:

Jeff

...No, it's not. :roll:

SGL.

 

[frogspawner]

"There are some things man was meant to buy while still in print. For everything else, there's e-bay."

 

[Trifletraxor]

eBay! The prime source for those OOP gems! 8)

SGL.

 

[Voriof]

Yeah, I know. But aren't we here to help fix the baby?

"Never buy version 1.0 of anything!"

Of course, the collorary of this is never complain when a favorite system you never bothered to buy goes out of print. That's on Nick's list too. :roll:

Jeff

...No, it's not. :roll:

SGL.

Actually, yes. Rule Nine.

Of course, it you wait to get it on ebay, you won't get that fixed up version you were hoping to get. That's the problem with using the Freerider Economic Principle - especially in niche industries such as RPG games.

Jeff

 

[Trifletraxor]

Actually, yes. Rule Nine.

So,

"All Lunars are Chaos! Everything published since 1984 is Evil! And anyway, RQ3 left out the Blade Venom rules! We hate Avalon Hill for publishing manuscripts by Greg Stafford and Sandy Petersen, long after Chaosium would otherwise have folded. We judge books by their covers (and their interior art)! We didn't buy Gods of Glorantha or World of Glorantha on a point of principle. We don't support fanzines, or conventions, or Issaries, Inc. And now, everyone treats us as if we're ignorant!"

is the same as

"Never buy version 1.0 of anything!"

the way you interpret it? :roll:

SGL.

 

[frogspawner]

I don't see why I should buy anything that isn't up to standard, whether off the shelf or e-bay. I'm not a charity. But I'm here giving my time and thought to help improve Mongoose's product for them. Maybe I'll buy MRQ2...

 

[frogspawner]

Please don't fight, guys! All I meant by the quote "Never buy version 1.0 of anything" is that teething problems are expected with anything new. So let's just get on and fix 'em!

 

[Trifletraxor]

All I meant by the quote "Never buy version 1.0 of anything" is that teething problems are expected with anything new.

That was actually quite obvious. :wink:

SGL.

 

[Voriof]

Please don't fight, guys! All I meant by the quote "Never buy version 1.0 of anything" is that teething problems are expected with anything new. So let's just get on and fix 'em!

Yeah, I know. I just recall two games I liked went belly up because of problems with lack of support and waiting for the bugs to get fixed. And we neeeeearly didn't get HeroQuest. After the startlingly unsatisfying Hero Wars, rather than whine about quality or be a drama queen, I offered to help and started writing Gloranthan material for Issaries.

I guess I'd rather see folks do something constructive rather than sit around bitching and moaning about how things aren't being done the way they want them done. Which is why I love Rule Nine so.

If nobody buys Version 1 in the first place, then there won't be a Version 2.

Jeff

 

[Trifletraxor]

Yeah, I know. I just recall two games I liked went belly up because of problems with lack of support and waiting for the bugs to get fixed. And we neeeeearly didn't get HeroQuest. After the startlingly unsatisfying Hero Wars, rather than whine about quality or be a drama queen, I offered to help and started writing Gloranthan material for Issaries.

I guess I'd rather see folks do something constructive rather than sit around bitching and moaning about how things aren't being done the way they want them done. Which is why I love Rule Nine so.

If nobody buys Version 1 in the first place, then there won't be a Version 2.

Jeff

But wouldn't it be okay to bitch and moan about HW if you'd rather not see a Version 2? 8)

SGL.

 

[Voriof]

Sure. Whatever. But then, without HQ, we probably wouldn't have MRQ and quite possibly not a lot of Gloranthan material being published at all. I'd rather not let the bitching get in the way of folks who are actually trying to get a few things Gloranthan written. A few of them post here. A few of them no longer post here. I wonder why.

In the end, its a value judgement. I'd take getting material published that I might not agree with over nothing being published at all. On the other hand, it seems some folks seem to be happier with having nothing - and bitching about that too. Which, of course, brings us back to Item Nine. That said, I have some writing to get back to. My bout with malaria has put me well behind schedule.

Jeff

 

[soltakss]

I guess I'd rather see folks do something constructive rather than sit around bitching and moaning about how things aren't being done the way they want them done. Which is why I love Rule Nine so.

Not all of us has the time, talent, desire or inclination to be a games writer.

But, as most of us shell out our hard-earned cash to buy the books, we have the right to comment or criticise if things are wrong, or do not work.

If someone points out the errors in a program I have written, I'll change it and fix the problems. I don't point out that it has taken me months to write and that they should be happy for getting this much and should be grateful for what they have got.

The ultimate sanction is to stop buying the material, which a lot of people have done in the past and may do in the future.

I am not a suporter of the kind of attitude typified in Rule 9, but I do see their point when things are changed for no apparent reason and when people point out that things have been changed, they are told that it's not 1981 anymore or similar.

One of the things that people can do to be constructive is to discuss rules and background settings, try to thrash out the problem areas and to suggest solutions. That is esactly what is happening on forums such as these.

 

[Voriof]

Fair enough. All good points. I suppose I am just bone weary of folks who sit back and complain and do nothing else. Or ones who sit in judgement and pontificate about how they could have written something better/faster/cheaper/etc, yet produce nothing to back up their words.

I'd love constructive discussion and particpation but it seems far too often old chestnuts are dragged out time and time again, aggrieved voices raised about how their system is not the way it ought to be and so forth.

Or maybe I am just tired.

Jeff

 

[frogspawner]

I think you must have been just tired. The front end of this thread is very constructive.

 

[frogspawner]

So there, if I do anything it will probably be to make rune integration once per rune, and the rune 'dies' with the integrated.

If you kill someone with strong claim to a runic affiliation (e.g. a Humakti Death Lord) then his corpse may manifest a Rune...

But warming to the idea that the rune actually goes off with the spirit - it also givens some weight to Ancestoral spirits being able to cast Rune Magic.

Rune of Chaos has the idea of the Rune burning itself into a body in some way, which is certainly a sound idea as the "Rune Hostage" and "Kill him for his Rune" habits are a bit, ermmm.... well gruesome, frankly.

How about (did anyone say this allready): You have to have a skill of 95% or so in a rune before you get the big bonus for integration?

All good & positive ideas, recommended to anyone wanting physical Runes common in their Glorantha.