Ruins of Hyboria (Review)

I picked up this book. I can't say I'm that thrilled with it. It's more of a historical discussion of a sampling of ruins than it is a book that a GM can use to stock his game with "dungeons" in his game.

There's a section of Creating Ruins, which can be helpful if you're the type of GM who likes to create his own scenarios. I actually like that kind of thing, but I just don't have time for it. I'm much more prone to buy a published adventure and then adjust it to my tastes.

Another, similar section of the book gives a GM an idea of what ruins are like in different parts of the world.

The major meat of the book are essays on a dozen ruins known to exist in the known world. Here's where my major disappoint in the book lies. I was hoping for ready-to-go ruins that I could slap into a game or adapt for a campaign.

That's not what this book is about. All it does is give you history on these places and describe what the places are like (not too many maps in the book, either). I wanted to see fully-fleshed out ruins--complete dungeons to explore--not templates that I've got to populate with bad guys.

So, the first part of the book is a ruin creation system done with rolling on tables. Next, you get "atmosphere" type discussion on the types of ruins you are likely to find in certain parts of the Known World. And, the highest page count goes to 12 specific places that are not completely fleshed out for adventuring.

The last section of the book is the most useful. There, certain aspects of ruins are discussed, like cave ins and collapses, traps, and ideas on treasure.

The only other useful thing about this book is, sprinkled throughout, are monsters and NPCs that you can use in your game.




If you're the type of GM who likes to create things from scratch, then you might find this book useful.

If you're not into building dungeons from the sand up, or you're looking for pre-fab dungeons (as I was) to slap into your game, you will be highly disappointed with this book.

I say give it a "pass".

It's really the first Mongoose Conan book that I'm sorry I purchased. I can tell you that I will probably never use this book. In that sense, it's wasted money for me.

And, I hope that Cities of Hyboria doesn't follow the same pattern.
 
Gee...I guess we're not in D&D anymore?...

More seriously, I like this book. The descriptions are perfect for me, as I despise heavy dungeon crawling and endless room lists. Too many people had their vision of RPGs formated by their early D&D games. The world id not necessarly a vast dungeon to explore and the game doesn't have to be limited to monster bashing on graph paper. Sometimes we have to grow up. Ruins of Hyboria captures perfectly the mood of Conan stories. The game is not D&D and shouldn't be played that way, at least in my mind.

Anyways, if you're looking for some good old school modules adapted for Conan RPG, be sure to check hyboria.xoth, Thulsa's site. You'll find some wonderful conversions of old TSR classics adapted to Conan's world.
 
Hervé said:
Gee...I guess we're not in D&D anymore?...

(snip)

Too many people had their vision of RPGs formated by their early D&D games.

(snip)

Sometimes we have to grow up.

Why is it that so many people on this forum are just out-right jerks?

Why do you have to lace your comments with insults?

Are you trying to provoke the same from me?
 
Sup4 wrote:
Why is it that so many people on this forum are just out-right jerks?
Why do you have to lace your comments with insults?
Are you trying to provoke the same from me?

Yes, we're a bunch of bad joke runners around here. And Malcadon is our kind of High Priest! :lol:

Honestly, be a little more open and modest in your posts and everybody will get along easily with you. You have to accept that some people don't agree with you and that your opinion is not law. Don't act as a moron and you won't be treated as such. You've got some nice ideas and your enthusiasm is refreshing but just stop telling everyone how right YOU are and how wrong THEY are. This a DISCUSSION forum, you have to accept that everybody doesn't always agree with you.

You've got a problem with so many people on this forum that we cannot be the sole culprits. Try to correct yourself a bit and things will get smoother. Maybe what you see as insults are just a response to your misplaced pride. There are a lot of people on this forum from different backgrounds and nationalities and all got along nicely before you came around. Maybe you feel insulted because you are not using the right tone in the first place.

I guess that as long as you'll keep the "I'm the perfect GM with the perfect players, I'm always right and you're all jerks" attitude, you'll encounter problems on this forum. Just add some points in your social skills and you'll really feel welcome here! :wink:

Cheers
Hervé
 
Supplement Four said:
There's a section of Creating Ruins, which can be helpful if you're the type of GM who likes to create his own scenarios. I actually like that kind of thing, but I just don't have time for it. I'm much more prone to buy a published adventure and then adjust it to my tastes.

If you're the type of GM who likes to create things from scratch, then you might find this book useful.

This is the type of GM the book is geared toward (as it is the type of GM I am; in 25 years of gaming, I think I have ran only three or four pre-made adventures).

A good ruin is completely linked to its history, people, and so on. If I had put in some pre-fab dungeons, then once a person ran through them, then the book is done. I wrote it so the GM who likes to create can do so over and over again. Its the whole "give a man a fish or teach a man how to fish" argument.

It seems to me there are a lot of dungeons and ruins which can be modified into a Conan adventure already out there - but there was very little available for a GM like me - who wants to create it from scratch.

I have also learned while posting and lurking around this message board that a surprising number of people are buying these books - but are playing in the Hyborian age with a different system. I wanted the book to be useful to them as well.

Give me some hooks and some inspiration and I can run adventures forever, but give me a fully-fleshed out adventure and (presuming I run it at all), I can run one adventure.


Supplement Four said:
So, the first part of the book is a ruin creation system done with rolling on tables.

A fan of the book created a spreadsheet (Excel) that does this for a person - it comes up with all the table results and makes the process instantaneous. I don't know if it is still available or not.

Supplement Four said:
And, I hope that Cities of Hyboria doesn't follow the same pattern.

And I hope it does because, as a GM, a pre-fab city is next to useless to me, but a city which springs forth with founders, ancient ideas, and other historical, cultural, and socialogical aspects intrigues me. There are plenty of pre-fab cities out there, but few good systems to actually build a city quickly - with the Conan feel to it. I didn't get to write Cities of Hyboria, but if I had, that is what it would have been.

I do, however, feel bad that you find the book next to useless. That wasn't the intent of the book. :cry:
 
Hervé said:
Honestly, be a little more open and modest in your posts and everybody will get along easily with you.

What the heck are you talking about? My review above is without malice. It's simply how I feel about the book. I didn't say anything about my word being law, and I didn't tell anybody that they're wrong if they like the book.

I wasn't expected people who like the book to agree with me.

I don't know where you're getting that.

Don't act as a moron and you won't be treated as such.

You might want to take some of your own advice. Look at this thread. It is you who is the arse. It is you who posted "fighting words", trolling for a flame fest. It is you who is trying to derail the discussion on this thread from a review of the Ruins book.

It is you who is being the J-E-R-K.
 
VincentDarlage said:
This is the type of GM the book is geared toward (as it is the type of GM I am; in 25 years of gaming, I think I have ran only three or four pre-made adventures).

No offense, I hope, Vincent. I like most of your work. I use the Players Handbook all the time. In fact (I haven't counted), but I think I own more Conan books that you wrote more than any other (and, as I said above, Ruins is the first book I've purchased from Mongoose that I didn't like).

It's just, for me, this book is useless. I've been gaming as long as you have. I bet we're probably the same age (I played in my first game in 1982.) And, I do like creating adventures from scratch. But, it's so damn time consuming. I "get into" that aspect of GMing, but it's not like I've got the time I had when I was in high school or college.

I'm interested in supplements that take the load off--not add prep-time.

Had your dozen ruins been ready-to-go, complete with monsters/traps/description, then the book would be like several adventure set-pieces. And, I would have found that very valuable.

Instead, a book on describing what ruins are like just isn't something that is going to be real useful to me.
 
S4, you asked why are there so many jerks in this forum, not just this thread. Hervé was responding to that question about your behavior in this forum in general. And he's spot on.

You're having issues with posters left after right here. You acknowledge this with "Why is it that so many people on this forum are just out-right jerks?" I've been posting at this site for much longer than you, and haven't had any issues. Why have our experiences here been so different?

Hervé is saying take a look in the mirror and make some adjustments or get use to how you're being treated. He's right.
 
Style said:
S4, you asked why are there so many jerks in this forum, not just this thread. Hervé was responding to that question about your behavior in this forum in general. And he's spot on..

Spot on. Riiiight.

Go back through the threads. I never got snotty until someone made a snotty comment first.

I always prefer a more pleasant atmosphere.

I've seen this happen before. One long-time poster takes an issue, maybe starts trolling with a new poster. Then, others jump on.

If a couple of the posters here want to show their butts, that's OK by me. I'll either ignore you or be just as rude in return, depending on my mood.

I'm not a disagreeable person 99% of the time. And, if you want to just share our common interest in Conan, that would be preferrable.

But, I'm up for either way.
 
Sup4 wrote:
You might want to take some of your own advice. Look at this thread. It is you who is the arse. It is you who posted "fighting words", trolling for a flame fest. It is you who is trying to derail the discussion on this thread from a review of the Ruins book.

I was saying don't ACT as a moron. It means you're not one, but that you might ACT as one. This proves it again. I was just asking you to be less agressive and your answer says it all. You seem to be totally unable of any kind of introspection or objectivity. In you're mind you're always right and the others are jerks. If I was the only one to have complaints, I might be the jerk, but after arguing with many other people on this forum, maybe you should ask yourself some questions about your behaviour.

Style wrote:
S4, you asked why are there so many jerks in this forum, not just this thread. Hervé was responding to that question about your behavior in this forum in general. And he's spot on.

You're having issues with posters left after right here. You acknowledge this with "Why is it that so many people on this forum are just out-right jerks?" I've been posting at this site for much longer than you, and haven't had any issues. Why have our experiences here been so different?

Hervé is saying take a look in the mirror and make some adjustments or get use to how you're being treated. He's right.

Sup4, you should take advice from Style's words of wisdom.

Sup4 wrote:
Go back through the threads. I never got snotty until someone made a snotty comment first.
Problem with you is that you take "I don't agree" for a "snotty comment".

For instance, when you posted your idea of Journey to the Barrier Peaks, I answered:

Me & myself wrote:
This might be nice for a standard D&D game, but I find the idea a bit off target for a Conan game. My players wouldn't buy this. Actually, neither do I.
I might be wrong for it's been a while since I last read the novel, but I seem to remember the Yaggites didn't use a spaceship to come to earth, but instead sprouted wings to cross the gulfs of space and lost them when they came down to earth.
Anyways, even if it's true, nothing prevents you to stay away a bit from the canon. Let us know how it went if you actually run the adventure.

You answered:
I just posted it here as an idea that might inspire somebody.
I've noticed that some of the more vocal people here on the forum would rather argue about minor details or non-game related stuff rather than actually discuss the game rules/story ideas/adventure thoughts.
I was just trying to contribute to the positive.

Tell me people, who's agressing whom? Who's actually off subject? It's just an exemple of your usual behaviour. Believe me, man you're getting highly paranoid.

Sup4 wrote:
I've seen this happen before.
Well, somewhere this doesn't surprise me... :twisted:

Sup4 wrote:
I'm not a disagreeable person 99% of the time
Bad luck! Why did we have to get the last remaining percent?! :twisted:

I always prefer a more pleasant atmosphere
We all do. Try it and you'll see. 8)
 
Supplement Four said:
No offense, I hope, Vincent. I like most of your work. I use the Players Handbook all the time. In fact (I haven't counted), but I think I own more Conan books that you wrote more than any other (and, as I said above, Ruins is the first book I've purchased from Mongoose that I didn't like).

No offense taken at all. Expecting everyone to like everything I write would be horribly unrealistic. But I do like to hear what people like and dislike; that kind of feedback goes into future books (although right now there are no future books from me planned). I've learned a lot from the feedback in this forum, both positive and negative.
 
Hervé said:
I was saying don't ACT as a moron. It means you're not one, but that you might ACT as one. This proves it again. I was just asking you to be less agressive and your answer says it all.

By saying that I act as a moron, you just called me a moron. And, you expect me to be less agressive against you after you've written those words?

Let's review this thread.

1 - I post a reivew of Ruins.

2 - You post your opinion that, if I were more grown up, I'd "get" Ruins.

And, now we're here.

So...where did the hostility come from? Who was the troll, me or you?

It was you, brother.

I didn't write a reivew that said I don't like Ruins, and Herve is an idiot because he does. I just posted my review, and I posted it without malice. It's an honest review, not meant to hurt anybody's feelings, including yours, Vincent's, or anybody else's.

It was you who posted with the slights.

It is because of you that we have this problem here in this thread.

YOU got us here.







In other words...

Had you not laced your comments with snide remarks, we wouldn't have a problem at all in this thread. We'd be tallking about Ruins and not your snide remarks.

In fact, what you're doing is spreading problems from other threads to this one.

There's no need for that, unless your goal is to start something with me in each thread in which I post.
 
VincentDarlage said:
No offense taken at all. Expecting everyone to like everything I write would be horribly unrealistic. But I do like to hear what people like and dislike; that kind of feedback goes into future books (although right now there are no future books from me planned). I've learned a lot from the feedback in this forum, both positive and negative.

Honestly, Vincent, I think you've made a huge contribution to Conan with your work. From all the books you've written, you've definitely left your mark.

And, I will say, you certainly know your Conan. That's what attracted me most to this game. I'm a Conan fan. For the most part, I think Mongoose "got it right", and you're the major reason for that.

My review of Ruins, though, is sincere. It really isn't a book that I will get much out of. Since I own it, I will read it cover to cover one day (but it's lower on the reading list, now), and I will probably refer to it when I convert old D&D modules to Conan.

But, I could have easily done that conversion without this book.

I judge an rpg book by how many times I feel the need to open its covers. Your F series I use all the time. I use the Players Handbook. All very useful books.

Ruins is more of a book that says, "If you're going to convert a dungeon to Conan or create your own from scratch, you should keep this in mind."

What I wanted was a book that said, "Hey! Here's some ready-made, Conan flavored ruins that you can place in your game with minimal work! Explore some of the known worlds most famous dungeons!"

Obviously, Ruins is not that.
 
I certainly use ruins of Hyboria. Unlike a sourcebook with a list of sites in, which has a definite use by date, the systems and suggestions for creating ruins will continue to be useful. The information on the cultures that produce the ruins also feeds in to the long term play. I'm not a great lover of published scenarios. Tales of the Black kingdoms, for example, was very good, but I've run it now and may well never use the book again. Books like Ruins go on being handy.

I must say I have one minor quibble: the "Corrected version" of Valeria rather annoyed me.
 
Sup4 wrote:
By saying that I act as a moron, you just called me a moron. And, you expect me to be less agressive against you after you've written those words?

Let's review this thread.

1 - I post a reivew of Ruins.

2 - You post your opinion that, if I were more grown up, I'd "get" Ruins.

And, now we're here.

So...where did the hostility come from? Who was the troll, me or you?

It was you, brother.

I didn't write a reivew that said I don't like Ruins, and Herve is an idiot because he does. I just posted my review, and I posted it without malice. It's an honest review, not meant to hurt anybody's feelings, including yours, Vincent's, or anybody else's.

It was you who posted with the slights.

It is because of you that we have this problem here in this thread.

YOU got us here.







In other words...

Had you not laced your comments with snide remarks, we wouldn't have a problem at all in this thread. We'd be tallking about Ruins and not your snide remarks.

In fact, what you're doing is spreading problems from other threads to this one.

There's no need for that, unless your goal is to start something with me in each thread in which I post.

I was wrong. You're not a moron. You're a psycho. Period.
 
While I have not yet picked up this book I will add a comment.

I have been gaming since 1981 (Junior Year in High School).

While I really enjoy creating a lot of my own stuff for adventures the sad fact of reality is that I do not have the same amount of free time available to dedicate to the creation process.

Between long days at work and commuting 1 hour each way. Add a wife that I enjoy spending time with and it leaves me little spare time.

I like books that give a lot of stuff that add to the creative process, but it would not hurt if the book also contained a couple of completed ideas for those that cannot afford to spend all their free time coming up with stuff.

Even pregenerated adventures can be "recycled". I have used the same maps with small modifications on the same group after ample time has passed and they did not recognize that they were in the same ruins/dungeon.

More than likely I will pick up the book (although I have a wish list created...so many books...so little time).
 
I have this book and I am also one of the type of people who likes to design their own adventures. And while i like some of the details of this book, i do like pregenerated maps of ruins with at least a partial room description as you can then modify them to your like.

That said I have found little of any use for this book yet, but have it for completion sake.
 
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