Questions from the new armageddon tournament pdf

[Burger]

Hi guys,

Interesting comments

There are just two things I would like to say at this juncture;

First off, _try_ the new rules in actual play before getting too excited. There has been a lot of playtesting done with Armageddon, and the Five Good Men all lumped in with their comments (even if they did not always agree ).

Second, even if some things seem a little mad at first glance (such as the PL splits), there _are_ good reasons for why we have done this. Play a few games, try and cheese out if necessary - the penny should drop

BuT tHe SkY iS FaLlInG!!1!1!1oneone!!11!

Yeah I know what you mean about giving it a chance and of course we shall play the new rules with open minds. I'm just predicting problems that I forsee.

And sorry but I can't believe the 10 Sag fleet was playtested and left in this condition, unless the person playtesting this was trained wrong as a joke.

 

[MongooseMatt]

Pardon? the Saggi has been UP gunned in the same priority level?! how many people need to point out it's broken, then they up gun it?! proposterous

Well they did listen, it does have 3 less Damage. I'm sure that compensates for having the front weapon upgraded to 4AD.................
Seriously, someone was stoned when they playtested that. Or rather, didn't playtest that.

You can sure say that again. Utterly ridiculous!!!

Again, try it out first - there are solid reasons behind this.

Interested in opinions though - it might well justify a Raid level boost, if we increased its Hull to 5. However, that is something I don't really want to do for an artillery ship of this era. . .

 

[Burger]

Interested in opinions though - it might well justify a Raid level boost, if we increased its Hull to 5. However, that is something I don't really want to do for an artillery ship of this era. . .

Its hull IS 5
Typo?

 

[MongooseMatt]

Its hull IS 5
Typo?

No, me nodding

At the moment, I am right in the middle of ship design for 2007, and I have multiple Hull scores floating around in my head

 

[emperorpenguin]

And sorry but I can't believe the 10 Sag fleet was playtested and left in this condition, unless the person playtesting this was trained wrong as a joke.

I doubt any of us playtested a 10 strong Sagg fleet!
We finished playtesting back in May I think so before your thread, I've nnever personally playtested such a fleet (lots of one hull) there isn't time when you've so many ships to test.

 

[katadder]

lol i prefered the original with 6 missiles to the front and only 2 anywhere else as well as being raid, altho that ship could have been skirmish, after all artillary units should be just forward firing, like the dag'kar

 

[Reaverman]

And sorry but I can't believe the 10 Sag fleet was playtested and left in this condition, unless the person playtesting this was trained wrong as a joke.

I doubt any of us playtested a 10 strong Sagg fleet!
We finished playtesting back in May I think so before your thread, I've nnever personally playtested such a fleet (lots of one hull) there isn't time when you've so many ships to test.

Yeah, I can actually believe that

 

[Burger]

Its hull IS 5
Typo?

No, me nodding

So did you mean to say "increase its hull to 6" to justify a boost to Raid, or should the skirmish version have hull 4? If the latter then I think we'll all breathe a huge sigh of relief and forget most of this thread ever happened...

 

[Wing Commander]

Umm.... has everybody in the tournament recieved their PDF pack? I know of at least 3 or so of us who have paid, are confirmed as down but don´t yet have the pack....

 

[Captain Kremmen]

I just had a thought....... (I'm allowed one every Wednesday)

Not only is the Sag got more attack dice than the Tourney one, but it can now use flash missiles and all the other variants as well can't it??

Hull 5 is awful high for a skirmish level ship. As Mr Sprange implied an artillery ship should be relatively lightly armoured, which at skirmish level means hull 4 doesn't it??

Even at Hull 4 I think these things are totally lethal.

Am I righta bout the super dooper missiles options??

Ta

Kremmen

 

[Burger]

Yes Kremmy you're right. Sag's can use flash, heavy, long-range, anti-fighter or any of the other missile types.

Can missile types be changed between battles in a tournament, or are you stuck with one choice for all fights? Same question for energy mine types?

 

[Reaverman]

Umm.... has everybody in the tournament recieved their PDF pack? I know of at least 3 or so of us who have paid, are confirmed as down but don´t yet have the pack....

Email Mr Sprange, I am sure its a minor error. I had the same problem, and he got it sorted.

 

[Chernobyl]

I can't believe that the upgunned Sag is equivalent to the artemis at skirmish. Same PL, same Hull, vastly different power weapon loads.

Chernobyl

 

[Tank]

I know, how can they make the sagittarius that weak???? :twisted:

 

[Geekybiker]

God, they upgunned the most powerful ship in the game? Seriously, WTF are they smoking over at mongoose. Unless it went to hull 4 or is supposed to be raid, I just cant see it.

The more I hear about armageddon, the more I consider shelving this game untill v2 comes out next year.

 

[Triggy]

For the most part I'm positively impressed with the Armageddon pdf info. Particularly the rules tweaks, they all seem to work well. There are one or two not so small issues though...

You know, I'd just assumed the Vorlon Light Cruiser being hull 6 (rather than 5) and the Sagittarius being Skirmish PL (rather than Raid) were typos. I can see that the all Sagittarius fleet wasn't playtested but this doesn't really mean a whole lot - if a ship is overpowered in large amounts then it isn't any better in small amounts, it's just easier to miss.

The points splits thing - I can see why Mongoose have done this but don't entirely agree with the reasoning. Nothing I can't get over though. Personally I'l like to see one system or the other in place, not both in a hybrid where splitting points is better than taking them regularly (as others have also pointed out).

Sorry if this sounds like bitching, I really do like most of what's been done and hope the collective feedback can be used positively by Mongoose too!

 

[emperorpenguin]

vorlon light cruiser hull 6? you sure!? :shock:

 

[E Nicely]

The more I hear about armageddon, the more I consider shelving this game untill v2 comes out next year.

But if you stopped playing the game might not survive. :roll:

 

[Triggy]

vorlon light cruiser hull 6? you sure!? :shock:

It's what my pdf says!

It's basically very similar to the old tourney Heavy Cruiser but has hull 6 instead (why does this sound so familiar.....oh yeah, Shadow Hunter anyone?)

 

[emperorpenguin]

vorlon light cruiser hull 6? you sure!? :shock:

It's what my pdf says!

It's basically very similar to the old tourney Heavy Cruiser but has hull 6 instead (why does this sound so familiar.....oh yeah, Shadow Hunter anyone?)

just rechecked my Armageddon yes it was indeed hull 6, phew I was thinking typo!