Progress on 2e

Well from what I know of the B5 background the Centauri in general should see Vorlons, I mean its fairly obvious they HAVE been manipulated by them in the past (theyve got telepaths....). Londo on the other hand had been directly involved with the Shadows (well ok not DIRECTLY, it was via Morden but thats about as direct as it gets if you want to walk out alive...)
 
No they don't :P Anna Sheirdan was never actually dead, just sort of stuck in shadow ship and driven mildly insane....

The ones who died stayed dead :P

Well except for John 'Nuke 'em all and let god sort em out' Sheridan of course but that wasnt the Shadows....
 
Morden was not "so close" of the impact. (as he said when returning to centuri prime)
He had "only" been injured. (in quite a radioactive way which may lead to think he wouldn't have survived very long anyway)

PS : But once he's dead it's once and for all (there can be only one ... oups wrong show) ... except of course during "THE day of the dead" ;)
 
Ah that must have hurt that particular Shadow? Presume you mean Sheridan?

Bloody Technomages - death is too good for them.
 
hiffano said:
The problem here is, people always assume the league races are worse.

As Hiff says, the league is not weak, nor technologically backwards.

The Abbai developed artificial gravity (AG) on their own, the Brakiri then 'aquired' it from them. Abbai AG reserch then seemed to go down the defensive line - shields and the like. Brakiri AG reserch seemed to be more devoted to developing it as weapons. I think factions within the Brakiri race were manipulated by the shadows (they did war with the Gaim at one point) and it is likely that the shadows offered tech assisitance to them.

The Vree guild of Scouts and Adventurers(?) found some derelict early Tinashi frigates destroyed after the previous shadow war. They reverese engineered the old minbari tech, AG and the anti-matter weaponry the Minbari seemed to employ in that era. AG tech allowed them to build their saucer shaped vessels. From the look of things, they stuck with playing with anti-matter and developed it far beyond the Minbari (who seemed to branch into molecular weaponry like the Shadows). The Vree also had a scout saucer crash on Earth at one point, somewhere near Rosewell....

Drazi seem to go for the simple and practical approach. They are not into hi-tech but into more durable and maintainable kit. Remember, the Freeholds they carved out rival that of the Narn Regime in size (and it is larger then Earth Alliance space).

Most of the league races are not expansionist in outlook. They tend to have one home system and possibly a few adjacent colonies. This does not mean they should be primative alien backwaters. Though the Big 5 Races and the Drazi could swamp them with numbers of ships, they may very well be technologically inferior vessels.

As to Armageddon choices, the Minbari and Centauri could make one (hi tech), the Narn just went for bigger is better (more and more guns and more and more structure and some nice ISA reactors to power the mass); EA and Minbari tech and know-how was used in the Victory. Much the same as the Abbai and Brakiri collaborated to build the Brivoki. The Vree should be able to produce an Armageddon hull if they thought it was a cost effective endeavour. Drakh should have one, they are Shadow Minions and they looted a Shadow Cloud (perhaps a [unique] choice for their fleet in 2e ?). Dilgar could follow the same philosophy behind the Ka'Bin'Tak, though this is perhaps unlikely as they are a dead race and having an Arm choice circa 2230 would be a dubious call. Armageddon size ships does not seem to fit into the Drazi fleet design and the Pak' would be unlikely to produce a hull that big (or even buy one that big) just for hauling cargo.
 
emperorpenguin said:
Junior said:
I always thought the Centauri were the most warlike, sure they had a silver charismatic tongue, but there war's of aggression nearly claimed most of the galaxy and enslaved countless people, I read somewhere some of the ancients had a theory that the shadows modified the Centauri to be more imperialistic. And about the ancient theory, that is here-say as I cant back it up.

I always wanted them to elaborate on why Londo didn't see Kosh. I wish Vir had been there so we'd know if it was because Londo was touched by darkness or because of the Centauri as a race

We don't know that he DIDN'T see Kosh, we only now that he told us he saw nothing. He could have been lying.

Locutus9956 said:
Well from what I know of the B5 background the Centauri in general should see Vorlons, I mean its fairly obvious they HAVE been manipulated by them in the past (theyve got telepaths....).

But aren't some telepaths naturally occuring?

LBH
 
lastbesthope said:
But aren't some telepaths naturally occuring?

LBH

I have a wierd theory that energy being in the similar vein as vorlons are telepathic because they can extend there anatomy to cover say a station, and by the same vein extend threw somebody's head, so I assumed part of the telepathic manipulation the vorlons did was give non energy based beings, a little piece of energy based anatomy so they could peer into the mind of others, but that would assume the vorlons are all telepathic, and from the complaining lyta/vorlon residual programing complaining that the third-space-aliens were all telepathic, well that could infer that the vorlons are not all telepathic, but hey it was a nice theory. But I also heard on the boards sometime that telepathes were created to fight for the vorlons, while Technomages to fight for the shadows.
 
lastbesthope said:
We don't know that he DIDN'T see Kosh, we only now that he told us he saw nothing. He could have been lying.
LBH

I remember JMS saying somewhere (can't remember though) that Londo wasn't lying about what he saw.
You can see from his demeanour in the bar at the end of that episode he feels really dispirited that he didn't see what everyone else is buzzing about
 
The technomages did fight for the shadows and wiped out the Narn Telepaths some tryed to kill valen.

And the last Shadow war the mages refused to take sides and some were killed by the former masters.
 
Shadow Queen said:
The technomages did fight for the shadows and wiped out the Narn Telepaths some tryed to kill valen.

And the last Shadow war the mages refused to take sides and some were killed by the former masters.

Where are you getting this information?
 
lastbesthope said:
But aren't some telepaths naturally occuring?

Only if you count the Mindriders - the other First Ones (including the Vorlons) used artificial means of developing telepathy.

All of the younger races that spawned teeps did so after being worked on by the Vorlons - indeed, the earliest Minbari teeps (the Kira Zhe) were too powerful and went mad for power!

I can't remember off the top of my head if the Drakh telepathy was engineered or not - I don't have the Drakh sourcebook on hand, but I think their telepathy is a result of genetic engineering, too. (and their version of telepathy works very differently to everyone else's, too.)


Gary
 
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