emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Burger said:
sucked as a weapon's platform though, never shot down a single shadow ship or flash gordon alien ship
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sucked as a weapon's platform though, never shot down a single shadow ship or flash gordon alien ship
Celisasu
Mongoose
I imagine that Galen's ship is an optional ship that can be used by used by any "good" fleet other than First Ones representing him showing up to give his aid, wanted or not. So basically useable by anyone except Shadows, Vorlons, Ancients, Drakh, Dilgar, and Black Ops EA. If we ever have a Drakh Influenced Centauri fleet he probably wouldn't be useable by them either.
katadder said:
It's simply not true that the Minbari don't use them. They crew the first one exclusively, and again later we see Delenn commanding a fleet of them in Minbari space, with Minbari crews, on a mission relating to Minbari internal affairs, before the ISA was formed.
To quote JMS from Lurker's guide:
'The Minbari built the White Star, borrowing some Vorlon tech, so it's primarily Minbari, and built with their sensibilities, all the controls are in Minbari, and so on. They allow Sheridan to command it because Delenn said to do so, and in battle an unpredictable human might have options that a more regimented Minbari might not.'
Pauly_D
Mongoose
the Whitestars were operated by minbari but were not under command of the Minbari Military, they were under command of the Interstellar Alliance
They could only be included if they could be given orders by the Minbari Military (as oposed to a Minbari in the Interstellar Alliance or Rangers)
They could only be included if they could be given orders by the Minbari Military (as oposed to a Minbari in the Interstellar Alliance or Rangers)
lastbesthope
Mongoose
White Stars were either 'Army of Light' or ISA ships. Yes they had Minbari crew members, exclusively so at the start, but an exclusively human crewed WS wouldn't be an EA ship would it? no because the Minbari and humans involved were Rangers, or acting under the orders thereof. THey were not, barring Sheridan, Ivanova et all members of their respective races military, or if they were (Sheridan, etc) they were not acting in their capacity as such.
LBH
LBH
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
lastbesthope said:
True, when do you see Minbari Warrior Caste on board White Stars?
OnlyTheShadowKnows
Mongoose
No one has answered my question of the characters? 
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Alexb83 said:
That is a little bit of show "fact" which I tend to ignore. I don't know WHAT JMS was doing there! He gives this race a nice and defined class structure and then ruins it by stating that actually the Warrior caste is only one third of the Minbari fleet.
Presumably the Religious caste only carries out one third of Minbari circumcisions too and the workers only build one third of everything?
My point was that the White Stars were not crewed by the Minbari military, which is or should be the warrior caste. JMS didn't always get things right. For example he had Jack the Ripper killing in London's West End......
I believe that the division of the fleet between the three castes had to do with the maintenance of the power balance. Remember that before Valen and without the Grey Council, the Minbari people were very internally adversarial.
Also, in terms of controlling the fleet, there is no indication as to what types of ships were controlled by which castes. And control doesn't necessarily equal being crewed by them, perhaps only commanded by them. Worker caste may simply have controlled the third of the fleet that circulated around logistics and support. Religious all of the research, exploration and diplomatic vessels (although obviously they also had some warships).
Fact remains, Minbari built the Whitestars, crewed them & commanded them and the WS fleet before handing them to the ISA. And the Rangers worked for the Grey Council until it was dissolved and Delenn took over exclusively (the better part of season 3). Back to the point of the Victory, shouldn't the ISDs be shifted? Victory herself was destroyed as was the shipyard that made the first 2. Time taken to rebuild the facility and new ships pushes their ISD to the right somewhat?
Also, in terms of controlling the fleet, there is no indication as to what types of ships were controlled by which castes. And control doesn't necessarily equal being crewed by them, perhaps only commanded by them. Worker caste may simply have controlled the third of the fleet that circulated around logistics and support. Religious all of the research, exploration and diplomatic vessels (although obviously they also had some warships).
Fact remains, Minbari built the Whitestars, crewed them & commanded them and the WS fleet before handing them to the ISA. And the Rangers worked for the Grey Council until it was dissolved and Delenn took over exclusively (the better part of season 3). Back to the point of the Victory, shouldn't the ISDs be shifted? Victory herself was destroyed as was the shipyard that made the first 2. Time taken to rebuild the facility and new ships pushes their ISD to the right somewhat?
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Burger said:Come on give Sebastian a break, his memory might be a little shaky, he has been living in a bedsit on Vorlon Central for 350 yearsemperorpenguin said:
He remembered his address clearly enough! :wink:
the other historical thing which irked me was Franklin saying Michael York couldn't be Arthur because his English was so modern. Aaargh, damn it Arthur spoke Welsh and fought against the English, he wasn't their king! Americans! :roll:
Locutus9956
Mongoose
emperorpenguin said:
At least T3 had nukes. And as poor as it was compared to the previous 2 it was still LIGHTYEARS ahead of the Highlander Sequels and the Matrix Sequels. And theyre all better than the OTHER one
Pauly_D
Mongoose
OnlyTheShadowKnows said:
ok it probably would make games more interesting but it is also a bit pointless, where abouts do you stop with adding in specific characters?
i would say that each fleet should have a MAX of 2 characters seen in the show (and most would only have 1) otherwise its a bit harsh on the Drakh as you dont meet any of their military leaders whereas there are loads of EA commanders that get specific mentions (the EA-Minbari war book gives 3 specific characters)
