Progress on 2e

[MongooseMatt]

In the new rules, you will be able to create your own characters!

 

[prelude_to_war]

Wow - very interesting...RPG like.

 

[katadder]

lol arthur was also cornish - another celtic nation, and roman and various other things. although i have never heard of a welsh arthur.

 

[captainsmirk]

Do the Minbari really need the White Star?

Then again does the EA really need the Excalibur?

On the timeline thing, the White Star is introduced in Matters of Honour, first episode of Season 3. It may be crewed by Religious Caste Minbari but is effectively given to Sheridan, not really available for Minbari use...

The Grey Council is broken in Severed Dreams episode 10 of Season 3.

In Grey 17 is Missing, Episode 19, Neroon a senior Warrior Caste leader accepts that the Rangers are loyal to Delenn as "the One".

And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place episode 20 of season 3. The White Star fleet is ready for action and is revealed to Sheridan. It is still crewed by Religious Caste Minbari (loyal to Delenn) but commanded by Rangers (loyal again to Delenn). So the fleet doesn't appear until 10 episodes after the breaking of the Grey Council.

At what point are the White Stars under the command of the Grey Council? Or the Warrior Caste?


Nick

 

[emperorpenguin]

lol arthur was also cornish - another celtic nation, and roman and various other things. although i have never heard of a welsh arthur.

Well that far back there was no distinction between the modern Welsh and Cornish. Both languages are closely related, the divergence came after the Saxons conquered Somerset cutting the Cornish off from the other Britons.
The Britons (ancestors of modern Welsh, speaking an older version of Welsh) were Romanised.

 

[JayRaider]

I hope 2E has everything in it. With no need for checking other books for details or rules.

 

[animus]

I hope 2E has everything in it. With no need for checking other books for details or rules.

AMEN!

 

[Burger]

I hope 2E has everything in it. With no need for checking other books for details or rules.

Amen... apart from the Errata, the FAQ, the typos thread and the rulesmasters for "don't play the rules as written" corrections, of course

 

[katadder]

I hope 2E has everything in it. With no need for checking other books for details or rules.

Amen... apart from the Errata, the FAQ, the typos thread and the rulesmasters for "don't play the rules as written" corrections, of course

we are doing are best to include all needed examples and make them read as written for use.

 

[katadder]

lol arthur was also cornish - another celtic nation, and roman and various other things. although i have never heard of a welsh arthur.

Well that far back there was no distinction between the modern Welsh and Cornish. Both languages are closely related, the divergence came after the Saxons conquered Somerset cutting the Cornish off from the other Britons.
The Britons (ancestors of modern Welsh, speaking an older version of Welsh) were Romanised.

actually the britons werent ancestors of modern welsh. the british isles were covered in many differant tribes, some of which were conquered by romans etc but all were celtic. they would have had differant versions of languages depending on region as is shown today by the differances in the irish, scotish, welsh and cornish languages. they all come from the same era but are related to each other (apart from the welsh which forgot how to use vowels).

 

[Alexb83]

Do the Minbari really need the White Star?

Then again does the EA really need the Excalibur?

On the timeline thing, the White Star is introduced in Matters of Honour, first episode of Season 3. It may be crewed by Religious Caste Minbari but is effectively given to Sheridan, not really available for Minbari use...

The Grey Council is broken in Severed Dreams episode 10 of Season 3.

In Grey 17 is Missing, Episode 19, Neroon a senior Warrior Caste leader accepts that the Rangers are loyal to Delenn as "the One".

And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place episode 20 of season 3. The White Star fleet is ready for action and is revealed to Sheridan. It is still crewed by Religious Caste Minbari (loyal to Delenn) but commanded by Rangers (loyal again to Delenn). So the fleet doesn't appear until 10 episodes after the breaking of the Grey Council.

At what point are the White Stars under the command of the Grey Council? Or the Warrior Caste?


Nick

At all points up until the breaking of the council, they were under the control of the council. Afterwards whilst they're under Delenn's control (she is Minbari!) - the Whitestar is simply put at Sheridan's disposal because Delenn (A Minbari Satai) orders it to be so.

As to whether or not the Minbari need the Whitestar - does the ISA need allied fleet members? Does the EA need the Victory (as you point out). No - these are just arbitrary expansions to fleet lists by Mongoose to give them flexibility (and no doubt to sell extra models). The option for Minbari to field a WS in their fleets is no different, and just as justifiable - and can either be achieved by having it in their list, or having all ISA member fleets get a reciprocal 1FAP of ISA ships in any game (as the ISA do, the other way around).

 

[Greg Smith]

Then again does the EA really need the Excalibur?

They would be lacking in an Armageddon priority ship otherwise.

 

[LordClinto]

I thought King Arthur was from New Jersey. :lol:

Just kidding!

....The option for Minbari to field a WS in their fleets is no different, and just as justifiable - and can either be achieved by having it in their list, or having all ISA member fleets get a reciprocal 1FAP of ISA ships in any game (as the ISA do, the other way around).

Agreed about the ISA Members receiving 1 FAP of ISA.

In the seasons after the formation of the ISA there are White Stars patrolling everywhere in the galaxy. And isn't it a part of the ISA Charter that the White Star fleet will help any member fleet if called upon?

 

[Alexb83]

Then again does the EA really need the Excalibur?

They would be lacking in an Armageddon priority ship otherwise.

Does every ship really need to have an Armageddon entry? The Dilgar don't get one currently, and the Drakh, and they manage without, as do the Abbai, Raiders, Pak'ma'ra, Vree and Drazi...

 

[animus]

Then again does the EA really need the Excalibur?

They would be lacking in an Armageddon priority ship otherwise.

Does every ship really need to have an Armageddon entry? The Dilgar don't get one currently, and the Drakh, and they manage without, as do the Abbai, Raiders, Pak'ma'ra, Vree and Drazi...

The very post I was going to write. I don't think they ad much to the lists, at least under the current rules.

I think the Raiders need an Ancient level ship, I mean it's all about equality right?

 

[LordClinto]

Does every ship really need to have an Armageddon entry? The Dilgar don't get one currently, and the Drakh, and they manage without, as do the Abbai, Raiders, Pak'ma'ra, Vree and Drazi...

Since when do the Abbai not have an Armageddon Level Ship?

 

[lastbesthope]

JMS didn't always get things right. For example he had Jack the Ripper killing in London's West End......

Come on give Sebastian a break, his memory might be a little shaky, he has been living in a bedsit on Vorlon Central for 350 years

But it's Sheridan who gets it wrong though.

Besides it's overdubbed on the DVD

LBH

 

[Alexb83]

Does every ship really need to have an Armageddon entry? The Dilgar don't get one currently, and the Drakh, and they manage without, as do the Abbai, Raiders, Pak'ma'ra, Vree and Drazi...

Since when do the Abbai not have an Armageddon Level Ship?

Sorry, I forgot that they had any part in the big green flying subwhoofer project.

 

[katadder]

Do the Minbari really need the White Star?

Then again does the EA really need the Excalibur?

On the timeline thing, the White Star is introduced in Matters of Honour, first episode of Season 3. It may be crewed by Religious Caste Minbari but is effectively given to Sheridan, not really available for Minbari use...

The Grey Council is broken in Severed Dreams episode 10 of Season 3.

In Grey 17 is Missing, Episode 19, Neroon a senior Warrior Caste leader accepts that the Rangers are loyal to Delenn as "the One".

And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place episode 20 of season 3. The White Star fleet is ready for action and is revealed to Sheridan. It is still crewed by Religious Caste Minbari (loyal to Delenn) but commanded by Rangers (loyal again to Delenn). So the fleet doesn't appear until 10 episodes after the breaking of the Grey Council.

At what point are the White Stars under the command of the Grey Council? Or the Warrior Caste?


Nick

At all points up until the breaking of the council, they were under the control of the council. Afterwards whilst they're under Delenn's control (she is Minbari!) - the Whitestar is simply put at Sheridan's disposal because Delenn (A Minbari Satai) orders it to be so.

As to whether or not the Minbari need the Whitestar - does the ISA need allied fleet members? Does the EA need the Victory (as you point out). No - these are just arbitrary expansions to fleet lists by Mongoose to give them flexibility (and no doubt to sell extra models). The option for Minbari to field a WS in their fleets is no different, and just as justifiable - and can either be achieved by having it in their list, or having all ISA member fleets get a reciprocal 1FAP of ISA ships in any game (as the ISA do, the other way around).

ISA can use other fleets ships as thats part of the charter for joining the ISA, you provide additional ships. the same cannot be said to go back the other way. the ISA will defend your borders but wont go under your control. also if every member could use a WS you could end up with WS fighting each other for member states in a campaign, which would never happen, however other races do fight themselves so its not a problem the ISA having member ships.
you will not get whitestars in your minbari fleet. They were built specifically as a fleet seperate to the minbari war machine.

 

[Gargoyle117]

the excalibur was obviously EA. the minbari never used whitestars at any time. the ISA fllet is being bulked out.

Thanks for the response Katadder. I had not noticed that the ISA would get a version of the Sharlin. That is definately some good news for the fleet; however, I still fear that the ISA list is going to be too light towards the top.

The 1 FAP of allies can almost never give you anything of War or Armageddon priority. I don't like the idea of seeing one of the only ships the ISA has at that level go over to a fleet that already has pleanty of their own ships.

I think that only having one choice at War level can get old quickly. My opponent always knows I will have a white star carrier and has gotten quite tired of seeing it and the fighters on the table.

Please continue to work on some more interesting and unique ships for the ISA and other small fleets, rather than make what few ships they have available to other fleets.

I love the game and the ISA, but I would love even more to have a few more options when building a strong fleet.

Katadder

also if every member could use a WS you could end up with WS fighting each other for member states in a campaign, which would never happen, however other races do fight themselves so its not a problem the ISA having member ships.

Exactly! Just watch the 5th season to see how it works. Sheridan operates his whitestars completely independantly. The other fleets also operate independantly, since they are largely working against eachother or at the very least suspicious of eachother. 90% of the time, it is not appropriate for the ISA to assist a single member race, while most of the time, it is appropriate for a single member to assist the ISA.