Pocket Edition - What's Different

Though keep in mind that realistically a single ton of hydrogen should be able to run a fusion plant for years (if not decades or longer) - the PP fuel consumption rates in Traveller are completely ridiculous.

Maybe a better way to keep a two-week restriction in is to say that the fusion plant needs regular maintenance/calibration every two weeks or it will start to function erratically?
 
TrippyHippy said:
katadder said:
why is it per 2 weeks anyway when everything goes up by 2 each class? might as well be tons per one week.

Actually, if you put it that way, you don't even need a table, really.

Except of course that page 107 doesn't contain a formula. It contains a pointer to a table that isn't there. Either fix works, but a fix is still needed.
 
EDG said:
Though keep in mind that realistically a single ton of hydrogen should be able to run a fusion plant for years (if not decades or longer) - the PP fuel consumption rates in Traveller are completely ridiculous.

Maybe a better way to keep a two-week restriction in is to say that the fusion plant needs regular maintenance/calibration every two weeks or it will start to function erratically?

I always assumed that the LHyd in addition to actually providing fuel is used as a coolant. That's a handwave, of course.

Allen
 
EDG said:
Though keep in mind that realistically a single ton of hydrogen should be able to run a fusion plant for years (if not decades or longer) - the PP fuel consumption rates in Traveller are completely ridiculous.

Maybe a better way to keep a two-week restriction in is to say that the fusion plant needs regular maintenance/calibration every two weeks or it will start to function erratically?


TNE fixed the fuel (for power) issue to some extent.

For other editions, as Allensh notes, it could be a cooling thing.
 
Allensh said:
I always assumed that the LHyd in addition to actually providing fuel is used as a coolant. That's a handwave, of course.

Maybe, but you still don't need that much of it (how many dts worth of cooling pipes are there, exactly??). Plus you wouldn't vent that coolant, it'd be a closed system because you can just cool it back down by passing the hot hydrogen through pipes along the shadowed side of the ship (and presumably while in jumpspace it can radiate heat to cool off too). But then we're getting into dodgy heatflow issues which have always plagued Traveller too.
 
Allensh said:
I always assumed that the LHyd in addition to actually providing fuel is used as a coolant. That's a handwave, of course.

Allen

The article noted below makes some headway on the issue -the important point being that the Traveller "fusion power" is not (and probably can't be) what we think of as fusion power.

http://traveller.mu.org/house/fusion.html


Here's my combined take on it, working with that article and some thoughts on the jump bubble. The basic idea is, why do both the Jump bubble and the power plant , two rather dissimilar processes, use hydrogen; and what effects would gravitics have on fusion technology ? Can they be related ?

The quick summary of another thread or two is this: the jump bubble requires monatomic H ; one of the effects of jumpspace is to supress the values of the strong interatomic force - so, any other material than protium will basically disintergrate into hard radiation upon contact. In addition to the safety hazards, the entry into jumpspace is effected by the bursts of radiation as stray multi particle atoms fly apart.

Thus, we have a minus to the jump roll. In this model, refined fuel is hydrogen with no isotopes -mainly deuterium or tritium. That gets shunted off to the powerplant, where it is used for the cold start cache, and to enrich the fuel in general.

The fusion plant is essentially a gravitic internal compression engine (described elsewhere here), continuously compressing small bubbles of H until fusion begins in a few atoms, turning the remainder of the bubble into plasma, and thence thru a n MHD turbine and heat exchangerwavium device to provide electricity.

Only a very small part (measured in atoms) of the H is actually fused (as noted) -the bulk is to be made into plasma by the fusion spark for the MHD turbine.


Here is the detailed version, for those with insomnia......

So, assuming the gravitic compression model is usable, I see a dual or triple phase start up:
1. Since the P+P cycle fusion is very hard to start, an easier startup power source is needed to provide power for Grav compressor: so, part 1 is a more typical D+D fusion kickstarter, (this is pretty straight from http://traveller.mu.org/house/fusion.html )
2. possibly this also is providing power for a second kickstart catalyzed PP (CNO) reaction to get the grav compression running to levels needed to
3. Once the power levels are up, the gravitic system starts the compression cycle (the engineering details of a triple fusion bubble containment vessel are left as an exercise for the reader ( :) ), beginning pulsed straight PP fusion as described above, but only allowing fusion to occur on a very small number of H atoms.
4. The pesky extra hydrogen we've been wondering about comes in here: it is plasmafied by the fusion pulse and then passed thru an MHD for power, and then thru a heat exchange box to grab the last ergsThe rest is dumped, possibly for reaction jets, or to provide the blue glow.
5. Power is first routed to the Grav system for the next pulse, and then to the ship as a whole.
6. When the reactor goes into overdrive for jump, I'd see the reaction simply allowing the fusion pulses to occur more often; possibly with a catalyst reaction to increase efficiency.

The Deuterium for the startup reactions is either from the processing of the jump fuel or provided in very small amounts by the basic power system; alternately they could be completely seperate - the excess D & T from the jump bubble could just be vented in Jumpspace or wherever. (try to be polite and avoid inhabitated areas, obviously)

The CNO for the phase two reaction cycles and can be very easily topped up just about anywhere.

Thus, the huge amount powerplant fuel is explained by lowered efficiency of the PP cycle, (but higher safety), and the fact that most of the H is used as plasma, not for as direct fusion.

Messy Hydrogen (unrefined) in the power plant can cause problems as mentioned above; and this is an even bigger issue in overclock ( along with the posited issues of non-monatomic H in the jump bubble at entry) -thus the minus to jump roll.

Hmmmm. Okay. Science and engineering flames are welcome (but helpful critques or corrections are preferred )
 
Having picked one up today I wonder why the footnotes have been removed at all. As best I can tell the pages haven't been relayed out, they've simply been "Shrunk to fit" at least that's what it looks like, if that's the case, why were the footnotes removed?

Still for £7.50 due to an FPvoucher, not bad, and much lighter than the big book.

LBH
 
Did you get to the last one
and meet Claudia Christian??!

You lucky man
we were at Gencon UK but
she wasnt there, bummer, as I wanted
to make a complete fool of myself
by stammering like a 15 year old on heat when
asking her to sign my DVD's

Heh,heh

well, maybe not, but you know, I probably got
off lightly as I was bound to be a total embarrasment ot both me and my
friends :lol:
 
Vile said:
I'm sure you meant to say,

Code:
Power Plant   A B C D  E  F  G  H  J  K  L  M  N  P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tons of fuel  2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 24 26 28 30 32 34 36 38 40 42 44 46 48
per 2 weeks

:wink:
I am not familiar with Traveller but am thinking of picking up the Pocket edition. Can I assume there should be an I and an O in there as well? And that the subsequent numbers are off by 2 and 4 appropriately (i.e. J as the 10th letter should be 20 ( not 18 ) and Z as the 26th letter should be 52 ( not 48 )?
 
Nope, there's not supposed to be any "I" and "O" in the table.

"I" and "O" are deliberately left out of the hexadecimal notation system to prevent confusion between "I" and "1", and between "O" and "0". So the figures associated with each letter code are correct in the table :)

HTH

Teh Hivorz
 
Gruffty the Hiver said:
Nope, there's not supposed to be any "I" and "O" in the table.

"I" and "O" are deliberately left out of the hexadecimal notation system to prevent confusion between "I" and "1", and between "O" and "0". So the figures associated with each letter code are correct in the table :)

HTH

Teh Hivorz
Ah! That makes sense, I guess. I remember being told that Travellor used Hexadecimal (although Hexadecimal letters would only go up to F not Z).

Anyway, that does mean a formula isn't as easily remembered as you have to take account of the missing I and O, so a chart is maybe more desirable.
 
DigitalMage said:
Ah! That makes sense, I guess. I remember being told that Travellor used Hexadecimal (although Hexadecimal letters would only go up to F not Z).

Anyway, that does mean a formula isn't as easily remembered as you have to take account of the missing I and O, so a chart is maybe more desirable.

That computer has not been built yet. Soon there will be a computer that has a Zmeg drive ;)

Dave Chase
 
Apart from this missing fuel table is there anything else that should make me wait for the second printing? Any other significant omissions? I'm new to Traveller and would prefer a rather smooth start. If it's just this tiny table I can deal with it.
 
Kupfer said:
Apart from this missing fuel table is there anything else that should make me wait for the second printing?
As far as I know, the missing fuel table is the only major problem, al-
though I would not consider it a really significant one.
 
Is there space in the book (margin?) that one could print their own out and paste it in or write the table in by hand?
 
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