Playtest Rules Space Stations
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Greg Smith
Mongoose
Yes. Targets is gone.
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<<As for fighters its either limit the number of hangers you can have or for each flight of fighters killed earn VP's, being as a station is a lot bigger than a ship and is going to have more options than a normal vessel i'd go with the VP's as a counter ballance. Cause the more we restrict the options ppl can take the more we are going to end up facing the same station time and time again!>>
I think the problem is that if you make the fighters expensive enough to try and avoid abuse, then stations which don't abuse them won't buy any of them while those which do abuse them will still buy them. I'd place an upper limit on the hangers; Limits won't necessarily result in the same type of station being churned out but will prevent outright subversion.
I'd also consider a second module for certain things costing less. How many people are going to spend 6 hardpoints for an armor module that provides +1 bonus to the armor *and* for a large additional damage capacity and then spend 6 more hardpoints just to raise the armor by 1? How many Minbari stations are going to spend 4 hardpoints for Stealth and then spend another 4 hardpoints to raise the Stealth from 4+ to 5+. Etc. Etc. I think you get the point.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
<<As for fighters its either limit the number of hangers you can have or for each flight of fighters killed earn VP's, being as a station is a lot bigger than a ship and is going to have more options than a normal vessel i'd go with the VP's as a counter ballance. Cause the more we restrict the options ppl can take the more we are going to end up facing the same station time and time again!>>
I think the problem is that if you make the fighters expensive enough to try and avoid abuse, then stations which don't abuse them won't buy any of them while those which do abuse them will still buy them. I'd place an upper limit on the hangers; Limits won't necessarily result in the same type of station being churned out but will prevent outright subversion.
I'd also consider a second module for certain things costing less. How many people are going to spend 6 hardpoints for an armor module that provides +1 bonus to the armor *and* for a large additional damage capacity and then spend 6 more hardpoints just to raise the armor by 1? How many Minbari stations are going to spend 4 hardpoints for Stealth and then spend another 4 hardpoints to raise the Stealth from 4+ to 5+. Etc. Etc. I think you get the point.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
presently all races get 2 Patrol points worth of fighters and a station with guns for a Patrol point. Plus the fighters do not give away VP.
At very least I would make the Hanger just add 1 patrol point of fighters - it's still more than a bargin however............
I think the Stealth module should be variable depending on the size of the station - a small listiing post is likely to be easier to conceal than a station larger than B5? Also a War levels station with Stealth 5+ and big guns and interceptors etc - nasty.............
At very least I would make the Hanger just add 1 patrol point of fighters - it's still more than a bargin however............
I think the Stealth module should be variable depending on the size of the station - a small listiing post is likely to be easier to conceal than a station larger than B5? Also a War levels station with Stealth 5+ and big guns and interceptors etc - nasty.............
Greg Smith
Mongoose
My solution to the abuse of patrol-level stations would be to make them 2HPs. And to make hangars cost 3HPs and the big guns 6HP or more.
A patrol-level station could be a medical station (medbay module), a training acadamy, a strategic command centre (war room), with maybe a small weapon module or extra defences, but can't bring fighters, command, fleet carrier, and so on.
Even at skirmish-level you'd only be able to bring one hangar module. And if the big beams cost 6HP, you wouldn't be able to fit those in.
A patrol-level station could be a medical station (medbay module), a training acadamy, a strategic command centre (war room), with maybe a small weapon module or extra defences, but can't bring fighters, command, fleet carrier, and so on.
Even at skirmish-level you'd only be able to bring one hangar module. And if the big beams cost 6HP, you wouldn't be able to fit those in.
Half the starting damage of all station cores!
Making Hangers cost 3HP wont work cause some of them all ready are 3HP!
Think the best overall way to stop abuse of the Hanger's will be to limit the to set numbers per core lvl like has been surgestted for weapons!
Make big guns 6HP or more, basically does exactly the same as limiting them as we have surggested in previous posts, BUT making them way expensive to even consider taking so all that will happen is everyone will take small guns and you'll end up with a wall of AD fire if you get into their range!!!!!
Usually your more thought out about these things Greg!
Was it just a spur of the moment idea or somethin????
Making Hangers cost 3HP wont work cause some of them all ready are 3HP!
Think the best overall way to stop abuse of the Hanger's will be to limit the to set numbers per core lvl like has been surgestted for weapons!
Make big guns 6HP or more, basically does exactly the same as limiting them as we have surggested in previous posts, BUT making them way expensive to even consider taking so all that will happen is everyone will take small guns and you'll end up with a wall of AD fire if you get into their range!!!!!
Usually your more thought out about these things Greg!
Was it just a spur of the moment idea or somethin????
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noobdelux
Guest
btw up the drakh beams to 4 instead of 3
Taran said:
thank goodness it does say you can only have one: Otherwise ships would be obsolete
"Either they will appear in a scenario where you will be told how their deployment affects each fleet, or you may include them in a standard battle. If you do the latter, however, you may only ever use one space station"
Methos5000
Mongoose
Has it been mentioned yet how this effects campaigns? I know the 3x cost is gone as is the 5 RR cost but what about the other things:
No adjustment to PL roll
Must show up in certain scenarios as certain PLs
Must be present at scenarios otherwise the Strategic target cannot be captured
No adjustment to PL roll
Must show up in certain scenarios as certain PLs
Must be present at scenarios otherwise the Strategic target cannot be captured
Here is what I'd like to see for Space Stations rules based on the current rule set. I may have some more later but here is the bulk of them.
1. With the exception of not being able to move in the first place, treat Space stations the same as ships with respect to general rules (firing arcs, critical hits, etc). That definitely would *not* include stuff like the old space station targets rule.
2. Limit the number of hardened Narn modules.
3. Limit the number of hangers. Fighters on space stations should be a relatively common sight although stations packed to the gills with them should not be.
4. I would suggest that all heavy weapons (say 3 hardpoints or more) be mounted in a particular arc. Secondary weapons (say 2 hardpoints or less) could be mounted in turrets but I would keep those to a minimum.
5. I like the extended overall weapon ranges for space stations. This isn't that big of a leap given the different ranges on the various ships for essentially the same weapon. Besides, if a station is out of range of something, it can't close the range if it wanted to.
6. Keep the limit of 1 space station per scenario unless noted otherwise.
7. I suggested it before but consider making *some* modules (the more expensive ones which have a cumulative effect) cheaper for the second one, with the stealth and armored modules coming to mind.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
1. With the exception of not being able to move in the first place, treat Space stations the same as ships with respect to general rules (firing arcs, critical hits, etc). That definitely would *not* include stuff like the old space station targets rule.
2. Limit the number of hardened Narn modules.
3. Limit the number of hangers. Fighters on space stations should be a relatively common sight although stations packed to the gills with them should not be.
4. I would suggest that all heavy weapons (say 3 hardpoints or more) be mounted in a particular arc. Secondary weapons (say 2 hardpoints or less) could be mounted in turrets but I would keep those to a minimum.
5. I like the extended overall weapon ranges for space stations. This isn't that big of a leap given the different ranges on the various ships for essentially the same weapon. Besides, if a station is out of range of something, it can't close the range if it wanted to.
6. Keep the limit of 1 space station per scenario unless noted otherwise.
7. I suggested it before but consider making *some* modules (the more expensive ones which have a cumulative effect) cheaper for the second one, with the stealth and armored modules coming to mind.
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
nekomata fuyu
Mongoose
I'm not too keen on artificial limits on modules myself. They start causing awkward questions too quickly (like "Why?"), and make the game feel artificial. How about though splitting hardpoints into surface points and internal points. This feels like a more natural way to limit which items are using which points.
Weapons for the most part will use up surface points, so this will limit the number of them which can be placed on a space station. Hangers might be a mix of surface points (for the launch mechanisms), and internal points (for the hangers). Medbays, training facilities and the like can purely use internal points.
Weapons for the most part will use up surface points, so this will limit the number of them which can be placed on a space station. Hangers might be a mix of surface points (for the launch mechanisms), and internal points (for the hangers). Medbays, training facilities and the like can purely use internal points.
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There are limits on a lot of things in the game, including how you can only bring one space station to a pick up scenario. It's called balance. If it comes down to the game feeling a little artificial but fun to play, it is a trade off I'll make every time. Of course, if you can somehow make the game more realistic and fun to play, I'll take it without hesitation
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
nekomata fuyu said:
There are limits on a lot of things in the game, including how you can only bring one space station to a pick up scenario. It's called balance. If it comes down to the game feeling a little artificial but fun to play, it is a trade off I'll make every time. Of course, if you can somehow make the game more realistic and fun to play, I'll take it without hesitation
Sincerely,
Andrew Norris
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