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Nightmares about Minbari said:
Cheers guys, guess the full fleet will have to wait, still at least have some to try out.

Does anybody have the Dilgar PDF saved, I couldn't get the link to work?

Here's the link:

http://www.richbax.com/dilgar-counters.pdf

It still works.

Dave
 
NOTE: This entire list will get a going over once Armageddon is in my hands. The new Fleet Allocation rules renders the current "5 point War" and "Raid Options" obsolete.


I took a look at the fleet boxes to see which ones were the best deals and which ones gave you a full 5 point fleet at each priority level.

I really hope someone finds this useful.

Definitions:
Cost of minis: How much the minis would cost if bought separately from Mongoose.
5 Point War? Can the fleet box make a 5 point War fleet.
5 Point Raid? Can the fleet box make a 5 point Raid fleet.
Raid Options: Different ways to make a Raid fleet from the minis in the box. If I miss an option, feel free to post your method, and I will add it.
5 Point Patrol? Can the fleet box make a 5 point Patrol fleet.
Enough fighters? Can the box fill the hangars of the minis.


EA:
EA Fleet Box Set
Cost of minis: $120.10
5 Point War? No (2 points, 4 with command variants)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 8 Starfuries.
Raid Options:
1- 2 Omega, 1 Nova
2- 2 Omega, 1 Hyperion
3- 2 Omega, 2 Aretmis
4- 2 Omega, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
5- 1 Omega, 1 Nova, 2 Hyperion
6- 1 Omega, 1 Nova, 1 Hyperion, 2 Artemis
7- 1 Omega, 1 Nova, 1 Hyperion, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
8- 1 Omega, 1 Nova, 2 Aretmis, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
9- 1 Omega, 3 Hyperion
9- 1 Omega, 2 Hyperion, 2 Artemis
10- 1 Omega, 2 Hyperion, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
11- 1 Omega, 1 Hyperion, 2 Aretmis, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
12- 1 Nova, 4 Hyperion
14- 1 Nova, 3 Hyperion, 2 Artemis
15- 1 Nova, 3 Hyperion, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries.
14- 1 Nova, 2 Hyperion, 2 Artemis, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
15- 4 Hyperion, 2 Artemis
16- 4 Hyperion, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries
17- 3 Hyperion, 2 Artemis, 2 Tethys, 1 Wing Starfuries

EA Reinforcements:
Cost of minis: $69.55
5 point War with main fleet? Yes, but . . .
5 Point Raid? Yes
Raid Options:
1- 1 Avenger, 2 Oracle, 2 Olympus

The addition of the Oracle and Olympus gives us 2 more points getting to a War fleet (the main box needed 1 more Raid and 2 more Skirmish level ships.) The 2 Hermes leaves the Patrol level 2 ships short of the six needed to fill a War level slot. We can use the 8 Starfuries from the main box to make a full fleet, but we are left far short of the required fighters to fill the hangars then.

EA "Era" Fleet Boxes
Earth Alliance Fleet Box Set - The Early Years
Cost of minis: $144.75
5 point War? No (Pending changes in Armageddon)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 5 Starfuries.
Raid options will be added on release of Fleet Box.

Earth Alliance Fleet Box Set - The 3rd Age
Cost of minis: $138.40
5 point War? No (Pending changes in Armageddon)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 17 Starfuries/Thunderbolts.
Raid options will be added on release of Fleet Box.

Earth Alliance Fleet Box Set - The Crusade Era
Cost of minis: $144.45
5 point War? Yes (Pending changes in Armageddon)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? Unknown.

Minabari:
Minbari Fleet Box
Cost of minis: $129.10
5 point War? Yes
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 1 Flyer and 8 Nials.
Raid options:
1- 1 Sharlin, 1 Tigara
2- 1 Neshatan, 1 Tigara
3- 2 Tinashi, 1 Tigara
4- 1 Tinashi, 2 Tigara, 3 Wing Nials

Minbari Reinforcements:
Cost of minis: $87.55
5 point War with main fleet? Yes
5 Point Raid? Yes
Raid Options:
1- 2 Troligan, 1 Leshath
2- 2 Troligan, 2 Torotha
3- 1 Troligan, 1 Morshin, 1 Leshath
4- 1 Troligan, 1 Morshin, 2 Torotha
5- 1 Troligan, 3 Leshath
6- 1 Troligan, 2 Leshath, 2 Torotha
7- 1 Troligan, 1 Leshath, 4 Torotha
8- 1 Troligan, 6 Torotha
9- 1 Morshin, 3 Leshath
10- 1 Morshin, 2 Leshath, 2 Torotha
11- 1 Morshin, 1 Leshath, 4 Torotha
12- 1 Morshin, 6 Torotha
13- 3 Leshath, 4 Torotha
14- 2 Leshath, 6 Torotha

Centauri:
Centauri Fleet Box
Cost of minis: $129.10
5 point War? No (2 points using Vorchan, 4 using Demos)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? No
Enough fighters? Yes. 4 Sentri left over.
Raid options:
1- 2 Primus, 2 Vorchan
2- 2 Primus, 1 Centurion
3- 2 Primus, 1 Demos
4- 1 Primus, 6 Vorchan
7- 1 Primus, 2 Centurion, 2 Vorchan
7- 1 Primus, 2 Centurion, 1 Demos
9- 1 Primus, 1 Centurion, 2 Demos
10- 1 Primus, 3 Demos
11- 5 Demos
12- 4 Demos, 2 Vorchan
13- 4 Demos, 1 Centurion
14- 3 Demos, 2 Centurion

Centauri Reinforcements:
Cost of minis: $79.30
5 point War with main fleet? Yes (using variants)
5 Point Raid? Yes
Raid Options:
1- 1 Balvarin, 1 Dargan, 2 Darkener, 2 Kutai, 2 Maximus
2- 1 balvarix, 1 Dargan , 2 Darkener, 2 Kutai
3- 1 Balvarix, 1 Dargan, 2 Darkener, 2 Maximus
4- 1 Balvarix, 1 Dargan, 2 Kutai, 2 Maximus

Narn:
Narn Fleet Box
Cost of minis: $116.15
5 Point War? No (2 points)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 3 Frazi.
Raid Options:
1- 2 G'Quan, 1 T'Loth
2- 1 G’Quan, 1 T’Loth, 2 Ka’Toc, 3 Sho’Kos

Narn Reinforcements:
Cost of minis: $76.45
5 point War with main fleet? Yes (see below)
5 Point Raid? Yes
Raid Options:
1- 1 Var'Nic, 1 Rongoth, 2 Thentus, 2 Sho'Kar
2- 1 Var'Nic, 1 Rongoth, 2 Sho'Kar, 2 G'Karith
3- 1 Var'Nic, 1 Rongoth, 2 G'Karith, 2 Thentus
4- 1 Var'Nic, 1 Rongoth, 2 Thentus, 1 SHo'Kar, 1 G'karith
5- 1 Var'Nic, 1 Rongoth, 2 Sho'Kar, 1 Thentus, 1 G'karith
6- 1 Var'Nic, 1 Rongoth, 2 G'karith, 1 Thentus, 1 Sho'kar
7- 1 Var'Nic, 2 Thentus, 2 G'Karith, 2 Sho'Kar

You can make a 5 point war fleet with the main box with the following layout:
1 point: 2 G'QUan
1 point: 2 G'Quan
1 point: 2 Ka'Toc, 2 Thentus
1 point: 2 G'Karith, 2 Sho'Kar
1 point: 1 Var'nic, 1 Rongoth, 1 Sho'Kos

You can replace the Rongoth with the T'Loth.

ISA:
Cost of minis: $163.00
5 Point War? Yes
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 8 Nials, 3 Starfuries , 3 Thunderbolts
Raid Options:
1- 1 Victory, 1 White Star
2- 5 White Star
3- 2 WSC-2, 1 White Star
4- 1 WSC-2, 3 White Star

Shadows:
Cost of minis: $105.20
5 Point War? Yes
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? Yes
Raid Options:
1- 1 Shadow Ship, 1 Shadow Scout
2- 5 Shadow Scout

Vorlons:
Cost of minis: $127.20
5 point War? No (4 points)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? Yes
Raid Options:
1- 1 Heavy Cruiser, 1 Destroyer
2- 1 Heavy Cruiser, 2 Transports
3- 2 Light Cruisers, 1 Destroyer
4- 2 Light Cruisers, 2 Transports
5- 1 Light Cruiser, 2 Destroyers, 2 Transports
6- 1 Light Cruiser, 1 Destroyer, 4 Transports

Abbai:
Cost of minis: $140.15
5 Point War? No (4 points)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes.
Enough fighters? Yes. 2 Kotha left over
Raid Options:
1- 5 Bimith
2- 4 Bimith, 3 Tiraca
3- 4 Bimith, 2 Tiraca, 1 Wing Kotha
4- 3 Bimith, 6 Tiraca
5- 3 Bimith, 5 Tiraca, 1 Wing Kotha

Brakiri:
Cost of minis: $127.20
5 point War? Yes
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? Yes 6 Falkosi left over

Raid options:
1- 1 Tashkat, 2 Ikorta
2- 2 Avioki, 2 Ikorta
3- 1 Avioki, 4 Ikorta

Drazi:
Cost of minis: $133.10
5 point War? No (3 points)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 6 Sky Serpents. 2 Star Snakes extra.

Raid options:
1- 2 Stormfalcons, 3 Sunhawks
2- 2 Stormfalcons, 2 Strikehawks
3- 1 Stormfalcon, 4 Strikehawks 3 Sunhawks
4- 1 Stormfalcon, 2 Strikehawks, 6 Sunhawks
5- 5 Solarhawks
6- 1 Stormfalcon, 3 Solarhawks
7- 2 Stormfalcons, 1 Solarhawk
8- 1 Stormfalcon, 1 Solarhawk, 6 Sunhawks
9- 1 Stormfalcon, 2 Solarhawks, 3 Sunhawks
10- 2 Stormfalcons, 3 Guardhawks
11- 1 Stormfalcon, 4 Strikehawks 3 Guardhawks
12- 1 Stormfalcon, 2 Strikehawks, 6 Guardhawks
13- 1 Stormfalcon, 1 Solarhawk, 6 Guardhawks
14- 1 Stormfalcon, 2 Solarhawks, 3 Guardhawks
15- 2 Stormfalcons, 2 Darkhawks
16- 1 Stormfalcon, 1 Strikehawks, 3 Guardhawks, 3 Sunhawks
17- 1 Stormfalcon, 2 Strikehawks, 2 Guardhawks, 3 Sunhawks
18- 1 Stormfalcon, 3 Strikehawks, 1 Guardhawk, 3 Sunhawks

Vree:
Cost of minis: $127
5 point War? No (3 points, 4 with variants)
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? Yes 6 Tzymm left over
Raid Options:
1- 2 Xaak, 2 Xorr
2- 2 Xaak, 3 Xarr
3- 2 Xaak, 2 Xarr, 1 Vaarl
4- 2 Xaak, 2 Xarr, 1 Tzymm wing
5- 2 Xaak, 1 Xarr, 2 Vaarl
6- 2 Xaak, 1 Xarr, 1 Vaarl, 1 Tzymm wing
7- 2 Xaak, 1 Xaar, 2 Tzymm wings
8- 1 Xaak, 1 Xill, 4 Xorr
9- 1 Xaak, 1 Xill, 2 Xorr, 3 Xarr
10- 1 Xaak, 1 Xill, 2 Xorr, 2, Xarr, 1 Vaarl
11- 1 Xaak, 1 Xill, 2 Xorr, 2 Xarr, 1 Tzymm wing
12- 1 Xaak, 1 Xill, 2 Xorr, 1 Xarr, 2 Vaarl
13- 1 Xaak, 1 Xill, 2 Xorr, 1 Xarr, 2 Tzymm wings
And a whole lot more.

Dilgar:
Cost of minis: $160.05
5 Point War? No (4 points)
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? Yes
Enough fighters? No. Needs 2 Dartfighters.
Raid Options:
1- 1 Mishakur, 1 Targrath
2- 1 Mishakur, 2 Ochlavita
3- 1 Garsoch, 1 Tikrit, 1 Targrath
4- 1 Garsoch, 3 Targrath
5- 1 Tikirt, 3 Targrath
6- 1 Garsoch, 2 Targrath, 2 Ochlavita
7- 1 Tikrit, 2 Targrath, 2 Ochlavita
8- 4 Targrath, 2 Ochlavita
9- 1 Tikrit, 2 Targrath, 2 Jashakar, 1 Wing Dartfighters
10- 1 Tikrit, 2 Targrath, 1 Jashakar, 2 Wing Dartfighters
11- 4 Targrath, 2 Jashakar, 1 Wing Dartfighters
12- 4 Targrath, 1 Jashakar, 2 Wing Dartfighters
13- 1 Garsoch, 1 Tikrit, 2 Ochlavita
14- 3 Targrath, 2 Ochlavita, 2 Jashakar, 1 Wing Dartfighters
15- 3 Targrath, 2 Ochlavita, 1 Jashakar, 2 Wing Dartfighters
16- 1 Garsoch, 1 Tikrit, 2 Jashakar, 1 Wing Dartfighters
17- 1 Garsoch, 1 Tikrit, 1 Jashakar, 2 Wing Dartfighters

There are a couple more.

Drakh:

Cost of minis: $152.40
5 Point War? Yes
5 Point Raid? Yes
5 Point Patrol? NO (There are no patrol options included in the box)
Enough fighters? No (NOTE: The Drakh Mothership carries 8 Heavy Raiders. The Drakh have no traditional fighters.)
Raid Options:
1- 1 Mothership, 1 Light Cruiser
2- 1 Mothership, 2 Light Raiders
3- 1 Mothership, 2 Heavy Raiders
4- 2 Cruisers, 1 Light Cruiser
5- 2 Cruisers, 2 Light Raiders
6- 2 Cruisers, 2 Heavy Raiders
7- 4 Light Cruisers, 2 Light Raiders
8- 4 Light Cruisers, 2 Heavy Raiders
9- 4 Light Cruisers, 1 Light Raider, 1 Heavy Raider
10- 3 Light Cruisers, 4 Light Raiders
11- 3 Light Cruisers, 3 Light Raiders, 1 Heavy Raider
12- 3 Light Cruisers, 2 Light Raiders, 2 Heavy Raiders
13- 3 Light Cruisers, 1 Light Raiders, 3 heavy Raiders
14- 3 Light Cruisers, 4 Heavy Raiders
15- 2 Light Cruisers, 6 Light Raiders
16- 2 Light Cruisers, 5 Light Raiders, 1 Heavy Raider
17- 2 Light Cruisers, 4 Light Raiders, 2 Heavy Raiders
18- 2 Light Cruisers, 3 Light Raiders, 3 Heavy Raiders
19- 2 Light Cruisers, 2 Light Raiders, 4 Heavy Raiders
20- 2 Light Cruisers, 1 Light Raider, 5 Heavy Raiders
21- 2 Light Cruisers, 6 Heavy Raiders
22- 1 Light Cruiser, 6 Light Raiders, 2 Heavy Raiders
23- 1 Light Cruiser, 5 Light Raiders, 3 Heavy Raiders
24- 1 Light Cruiser, 4 Light Raiders, 4 Heavy Raiders
25- 1 Light Cruiser, 3 Light Raiders, 5 Heavy Raiders
26- 1 Light Cruiser, 2 Light Raiders, 6 Heavy Raiders
27- 4 Light Raiders, 6 Heavy Raiders
28- 5 Light Raiders, 5 Heavy Raiders
29- 6 Light Raiders, 4 Heavy Raiders
30- 1 Cruiser, 3 Light Cruisers
31- 1 Cruiser, 6 Heavy Raiders,
32- 1 Cruiser, 5 Heavy Raiders, 1 Light Raider
33- 1 Cruiser, 4 Heavy Raiders, 2 Light Raiders
34- 1 Cruiser, 3 Heavy Raiders, 3 Light Raiders
35- 1 Cruiser, 2 Heavy Raiders, 4 Light Raiders
36- 1 Cruiser, 1 Heavy Raider, 5 Light Raiders
37- 1 Cruiser, 6 Light Raiders
38- 1 Mothership, 1 Heavy Raiders, 1 Light Cruiser
39- 2 Cruisers, 1 Light Raider, 1 Heavy Raider


SPECIAL NOTE: The ISA box needs 6 Thunderbolts instead of 3 T-bolts or 3 Starfuries, but only if you never, ever put any paint on them.
 
Good analysis, Tedrick. Minor correction: the Drakh Mothership with Huge Hangars 8 can carry a mix of Heavy and Light Raiders as well as Scouts. As long as it's not more than 8 ships.
 
A wiki was started for unofficial content for ACTA a few weeks back, and is available at www.b5acta.com - some custom ship designs have been posted, and a few scenarios. Also there's a link on the projects page to my Paladins & Pirates supplement, not nearly up to the quality of RBax's supplement or the Expansion of the Narn Regime one, but it might be worth a look, especially if you use or often play against ISA or Raider fleets :wink:
 
Hey,
Im a bit of a monkey and i havent played much.

Im being dragged along to the tourney at milton keynes. im not sure i know the rules well enough to play either. But im gonna go anyway. Cos itll be good XP. So i apologise if you have to play me!

Ive tried minbari but my dice rolling is pants. So ive had a go with Drakh and i like em. But i have no ships.

Ive found the counters for Drakh from the Forum, But there are no carriers (i normally use Phys reps). So:

Does anyone have a link to some drakh carrier counters? Or can i use ones i make myself or???

Yours
A. Monkey
 
If you post on the Milton keynes tourney link to check the rules re counters and proxies (i'm sure they will be accomodating) I don't think Rich did a Carrioer token (well i think he did, but it was like a cruiser, so you should hopefully be able to use that, as long as your opponent is made aware)
And good luck, just enjoy yourself, their are some pretty knowledgeable players going from what I have seen :-)
 
Valen is my name said:
could i please have one as well if youve got time, sorry to here about your ark royal being sunk

Yes you can, and no it wasn't, so I don't know where you heard that.

EDIT: OK, Matthew seems to think I lost my Ark Royal, I really can't say for sure though, I lost many ships today :roll:

LBH
 
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