Pictures of Forth, SST Prepaints, Tanks

[The_King_of_Ashes]

There is no "zero" figure because I was trying to get into an alien psyche: their attitude is " how do you show nothing?" In mathematics, the "null" or "zero" will be shown by a space in the equation to denote absence...

As I said, it's all moot, since there won't be anymore "fluff" to speak of.

I know it is moot, but this is just one of those facts that you might need to know one day. For math to work right their needs to be a zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number) An advanced race would need math, and a zero to be advance.

 

[chris_valera]

There is no "zero" figure because I was trying to get into an alien psyche: their attitude is " how do you show nothing?" In mathematics, the "null" or "zero" will be shown by a space in the equation to denote absence...

As I said, it's all moot, since there won't be anymore "fluff" to speak of.

I know it is moot, but this is just one of those facts that you might need to know one day. For math to work right their needs to be a zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number) An advanced race would need math, and a zero to be advance.

So have a zero be a dot, or a circle, or a square, or something...


Personally, I think the white Forth with the red looks ace, but all the other Forth look meh.

The regular SST models looks average (MI) to below-average (the Arachnid Warrior)

Saying that these are better than 90% of gamers can paint (as Mongoose has been doing) is apalling and even a little bit insulting.

A good effort, but not enough to sway me.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 

[LaranosTZ]

I don't think the new models don't mean there will be no more fluff, after all, they are also going to be producing rules for the forth in the SST RPG.

 

[tneva82]

I don't think the new models don't mean there will be no more fluff, after all, they are also going to be producing rules for the forth in the SST RPG.

Yeah. Where on heck Scipio got idea that there won't be more fluff...

But maybe he has convinced him of that so he can be pleasantly be suprised when the fluff does appear :lol:

 

[Mage]

I think some people have forgotten that the miniatures shown were prototypes and not the finished ready-for-market products. Have faith and patience.

 

[Reborn]

When is anyone going to listen to me... the pics really do not do the models justice. They are all much better in person, yes, even the red and white Forth.

 

[BuShips]

I'd like to see the Exos done in a more Olive Drab (lighter green) choice, rather than the dark green. The white/red Forth unit looks great, but the photo of the blue one isn't as nice. All the Forth have that "factory fresh" look, so if Mongoose could do an antique over-wash to weather them it would improve the models. If not, then I suppose the eventual owners of the models might do that :wink: . From what Matt said, the tanks will look a bit better as those are prototype examples. Since those models will be based off of contemporary examples of military equipment, the criticism will be rather more focused by chaps that are familiar with the "real thing". I understand there will be differences (like gun tubes) to represent the up-gunning of several units for "near future" representations, but proportional accuracy of the units will be scrutinised to a high degree by many military aficionados. I'll add the note that my comments are based on the above photos, and not what they look like in person (are my plane tickets here yet? heh).

 

[Judas Kain]

That blue forth must be the 'Pimp fighting machine'.

I figured the blue and yellow was the Fernando Alonso of Forth machines while the red and white one was the Ayrton Senna.

So does the red and white one crash into walls on a roll of 1?

Actually he didnt crash until he changed team and had a car that was blue and yellow.............

(Well, actually it was mostly blue and white but it had yellow stripes)

 

[xeoran]

Just a bit of info from Matt, the blue and yellow Forth will have its colours chosen. I think the red/white combo is favoured though. Apparently they are also testing different colour schemes and using a limited palette on the Forth army to make it homonegeous.

 

[BuShips]

Just a bit of info from Matt, the blue and yellow Forth will have its colours chosen. I think the red/white combo is favoured though. Apparently they are also testing different colour schemes and using a limited palette on the Forth army to make it homonegeous.

Although maybe not with the Forth, one of the future alien armies should have all of their units painted flat black (or white or grey or metal) due to the nature of that race not perhaps "caring" about what their units look like. Obviously, a pure machine race would have that perspective, but maybe a different-thinking alien mind might not care as well. Then of course they meet the Humans and wonder what the big deal is with all the colors and consider that to be a trait of an insane race which must be purged... :wink:

 

[xeoran]

Although a machine intelligence might gain basic phsycology and choose colours designed to create emotions in their enemies.

 

[Tim]

Theres a lot of debates about PRE-painted figures, good or bad they are on their way. just as the sun will rise our hobby is changing. It started with Mage knight which was an attempt to build a bridge between CCGs and Miniatures. Since then we have seen a fair number of pre-painted games, D&D, Lord of the rings, Hero Clix, Starwars, HorrorClix, and more are on the way. The CCG gamers are a hooked market, the miniature gamers are mixed. The final stumbling block, the quality of the paints, which is getting better every day.

I like to paint and model, I like to build terrain and I like to show-off my painted armies. That won't change. I also like to play new games. The problem is I don't have time to paint and play every new game that comes out and neither do my friends. In fact I have stuff painted for games I have never played because no one else in our group has painted a side yet. There just isn't the time for it all.

The new pre-painted games will allow my group to play new games while still choosing to paint what we like. We will still build and paint our existing armies, but we will also try other games as well. In the end the shift in the hobby will be a good thing, if the manufacturers can deliver on their promises.

AT43 looks good, a bit pricy but I would have paid as much for unpainted figs of that type. Battlefield Evolution, I need to see more before I decide, SST, I have huge painted bug and MI forces, aside from a few bitz here and there, I'm set.

The thing I like best about SST, BFEvo, and AT43 is I can buy what I want, not what I get in the CMG lottery system. This is a huge plus considering the number of useless dups one can pull looking for a chase figure. I guess the next question is whats next on the horrizon. I predict there will be some interesting changes to come in 2007 and beyond.

P.S. the Blue/Yellow Forth, in my opinion, blows. (looks to much like a cheap toy in those colors.)

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

There is no "zero" figure because I was trying to get into an alien psyche: their attitude is " how do you show nothing?" In mathematics, the "null" or "zero" will be shown by a space in the equation to denote absence...

As I said, it's all moot, since there won't be anymore "fluff" to speak of.

I know it is moot, but this is just one of those facts that you might need to know one day. For math to work right their needs to be a zero. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number) An advanced race would need math, and a zero to be advance.

Hi King!

No I wasn't saying there was no "zero" what I said was in their equations, zero is denoted by a space rather than by a character. As I imagined it, both the alphabet, and any mathematical equations, would not look like what we are used to. The ideas are still there, just presented differently.

Regards.

 

[BuShips]

Hi King!

No I wasn't saying there was no "zero" what I said was in their equations, zero is denoted by a space rather than by a character. As I imagined it, both the alphabet, and any mathematical equations, would not look like what we are used to. The ideas are still there, just presented differently.

Regards.

Hey Scipio, I quite like the concept of diminishing the status of a zero to below that of a full number, but maybe there should still be something to serve as a placeholder. Maybe an "_" or a raised "." to midheight maybe. Regardless, I just wanted to say "cheers" for rethinking what an alien concept could be towards zeros. Cudos. I especially like the "chicken-scratching" you thought up, and its origins. 8)

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Hey Scipio, I quite like the concept of diminishing the status of a zero to below that of a full number, but maybe there should still be something to serve as a placeholder. Maybe an "_" or a raised "." to midheight maybe. Regardless, I just wanted to say "cheers" for rethinking what an alien concept could be towards zeros. Cudos. I especially like the "chicken-scratching" you thought up, and its origins. 8)

Hi BuShips!

Thanks! It did indeed take a lot of thought (not that I'm saying I got it right!). Good points about the "placeholder": I've gone back and looked at the numeric characters, and I think you and some others are correct. A simple space probably wouldn't work...unless I got REALLY into an alien mind-set, and that would probably require hallucinogenics! :lol:

As for the "chicken scratching," well...thank Taco!!!! I'm serious. When I got the physical description of the Forth from MGP I started playing around with a number of ideas. But ultimately I decided that I was looking at the world from a five-fingered perspective. It dawned on me that Taco's feet (two toes in front, two in back) were a lot closer to the idea of the Forth...so I started watching her. I spent hours and hours watching her and how she interacted with the world. So she ultimately provided the inspiration and the credit belongs to her.

IF MGP decide to use what I did, then Taco will be a little part of SST v2 from now on! She'll be famous! I currently have no plans to do any more work for MGP unless they ask me to. Actually, I've been approached (as of Monday morning) to do work (art AND writing! Woo-hoo!) for another company and I accepted yesterday after plowing through a 62 page .pdf proposal/overview (whew!). I faxed off the signed NDA this morning. All I think I can say is that the projects are VERY COOL, one is Sci-Fi, and they involve minis and RPG.

Keep in touch! PM me and I'll give you my e-mail.

Regards.

 

[xeoran]

Any chance of telling us the name of the project?

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Any chance of telling us the name of the project?

No chance at all. The terms of the NDA are very specific. In retrospect, I should have just PM'd BuShips. I won't answer any questions about the projects, and since this is a MGP board, I don't think it's appropriate to discuss it here anyway. I screwed up by even mentioning it, and I apologize.

Regards.

 

[xeoran]

Any chance of telling us the name of the project?

No chance at all. The terms of the NDA are very specific. In retrospect, I should have just PM'd BuShips. I won't answer any questions about the projects, and since this is a MGP board, I don't think it's appropriate to discuss it here anyway. I screwed up by even mentioning it, and I apologize.

Regards.

Ah....No worries then.

Feel free to tell us what it is when it comes out though.

 

[p-torp]

Buship got it right.

The language scratchings would be different three toed being. So would their programming languge and math.

As for the bad anime I got the title wrong, escaflowne was one of the good series. I cannot remember the series with the silly mecha. when I was in college I was part of the anime club. I edured many really lame animes.

no I don't drop in that often. So I don't get a lot of news. I just peruse the topics and see what is interesting. If the pre paint is special order thats grand.

Like was said in previous post. I like to paint my minis, sculpt new ones, build terrain, design resin bits and the like.

The figures I was refering is now being sold by red shirt games. Space rangers is what they are called. I used them before SST came out. And yes I really like my SST minis. Save for the Items I have commented on in previous posts.

I was stating that the grizzlys look like the space rangers with different back pack pods and helmets. As for the description in the book I coundn't find a clear one.

IMHO I believe they could do much better on the forth models. I have less than a shoe string budget, no pantagraph or machine shop. I most likely given a budget could produce better. Currently, I am under an NDA and I am redesigning some things. If my patron likes them you might even see some of my work. No, I cannot mention the company.
Such is the nature of NDA's.

In closing, I like the grizzly as a drop pod. I do not care for the design of the white painted forth and I really don't like the design of the blue one.

p-torp

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Ah....No worries then.

Feel free to tell us what it is when it comes out though.

I will...but you'll hear it via company releases and press releases and publication before you'll hear it from me. I'm just going to be writing, doing art, and doing 3D renders.

Regards.