P+P in Previews for pre-order

Kickaha said:
Delthos - I welcome your vocalisation beceause if there is any chance of influenciing the price of P&P now is certainly the time to raise the point, before the book is finalised.

Well, we haven't really changed our prices. From 2001, the price of a 64pp book like this has been £10. Back then, with an exchange rate of 1.44, that translated to a price tag of $14.95 in the US. With the weak Dollar, higher cover prices become inevitable. If the consensus is that US CTA fans will stay away from P&P for this reason alone, then we need to look at new ways of delivering the information to you.
 
msprange said:
hiffano said:
um, on what basis? all the folk are saying is they don't want to pay money for already released stuff?

That material was always intended for P&P - we put it in the magazine to preview the book and to elicit comments.
The Gaim list, yes fair enough it was always said that it was an early release of the P&P chapter to fix the fleet.
The preview stuff, again fair enough, yes it is a preview of P&P and grateful we are to see it early and for free!

But I am mainly talking about the Deep Space tournament pack and the raiders campaign... I thought they were S&P articles, not P&P previews!
(The Deep Space tournament certainly is barely of S&P quality let alone printable quality!!!)

If that was all P&P preview stuff, then there has basically been NO S&P ACTA Articles for the last 6 months at least!!!!!
 
Ditto, thats silly money. Half the stuff is straight from S&P anyway (Gaim fleet, Deep Space tournament, Raiders campaign...)
I would buy by a book with nude pak'ma'ras if it had B5:ACTA printed on it and as long as its hardback and color.
 
Scipio said:
I would buy by a book with nude pak'ma'ras if it had B5:ACTA printed on it and as long as its hardback and color.

That is the sort of answer customer surveys dread. . .
 
If the book is an actual improvement then I have no problem what so ever in paying for it in b/w or colour obviously colour is preferred infact colour pdf is preferred.
 
An Army Book from Games Workshop is 22 Dollars, and using the brand new Dark Elves Army Book for Fantasy as an example, it has 104 pages, some background and lore, some rules, and full color hobby articles about variations on how you can paint up what you get.

I'm a hobbyist, I really enjoy the painting and conversion aspect of miniatures games. I play 40k, Fantasy, have a nice Knight of Dol Amroth Lord of the Rings army, Warmachine, etc. Granted these are pretty serious gaming companies, and maybe they have a higher volume so they can invest more heavily on the printing, but I held off on getting the rules for ACTA until I could buy a used set from another player, who had stopped playing.

Matt, I have the utmost respect for what you have accomplished. I do not want to be in your shoes, I know that you must be bombarded with people of varying intelligence levels all with the solution to all of this games "problems". I don't envy you the task ahead during this playtesting, and I applaud you for opening this all up to us, and I appreciate that the opportunity to play test was new when I started playing. The game attracted me as a new player, and I've invest funds into the models from anywhere I can get them, so you're doing something right.

That said, I can readily compare this proposed 64 page $20 book to what the other companies are offering one shelf over. As someone usually more interested in a Hobby Article than a new Variant or Scenario, I'm already frustrated that this book will not be in color, as with that means the hobby articles will probably be non-existent.

In my free time, I browse the various galleries online, and what I have found is just how limited the galleries are for ACTA. I want to see five of the best painters around take a crack at each ship, show me nice high resolution photographs of different ways I could paint my fleet, give me ideas, give me some measure. As it stands there are just a handful of really strong painters out there painting ACTA minis, and finding their images is work. I just wish that wasn't the case, as expressing myself through the paint jobs on my miniatures is just my favorite part.

Color. Glossy pages. Something new, something worth having, not just paying for a compilation of older gradual updates.

I'll buy one... regardless. I'm not that guy. That said, when it sits next to my full color books from other companies... which one do you think my friends will pick up, and be more interested to try out?
 
what a bout a last minute upgrade and stickin inthe fabled painting guide>? if ironwind are going to be releasing minis, the painting guide would be a nice addition
 
I think a few articles on painting and even modding would be an interesting section. One of the sections in my flames of war books that I regularly visit is the painting guide, I rarely look at anything else now as I know my army anyway.
 
I concur - if only for me to look at the pretty pictures - but if it has to be in B/w there is little point I fear.

It seems the change to B/w was unavoidable (?) but it does mean that the books look a little "basic" compared to books already mentioned and others like the War Machine / Hordes. I have the latter just because they are so lovely- full of great fluff (which I lap up) and not even very expensive - not played the game (have figues and rules !) but enjoyed reading about it immensley.

I would love to see some fluff stories / little paragraphs etc in the ACTA books - is this a ommision by choice or by licence?

I will likely buy but I feel that a colour softback would have been so much better...............
 
Hiffano / Hindsight - I agree, painting miniatures, and seeing other painters work, is a strong gaming driver for me. Even based on the one and only image from the painting guide that has been seen on the forum, this publication has been something I have been very much looking forward to, for a long time. Given the obvious colour requirement, I guess it will only be PDF. howver also given how long we have been waiting I only hope it is still in the Mongoose's plan to publish.
 
I like that B5 has moved away from fleet books.

Games Workshop balances based on releases, so whatever is newest, is the strongest (at least imho). That is the case with any army by army release, which is why I like how Warmachine/Hordes does it, one big book at a time, with a bunch of new models, and you get the card for your model in every pack.

We of course abuse Chernobyls cards, I know I use em, but that may just be because I am so used to my Warmachine cards, and they're almost identical once you slap em in a slider holder.

I imagine we're not high on the Mongoose priority list. We're an old game, and giving us resources, taking a risk, might not be worth it to them. It is hard not to see that as a bad sign for the game, that they are being cautious about investing in nice printing, for fear it may not sell, or be wanted.

We're doing something right I guess, or they wouldn't have setup shop with IW to make more minis. There seem to be enough of us on the forums, but that is a small sampling of who actually plays... I dunno.
 
B&W for a model based game? Can you imagine GW selling a B&W codex?

I'll wait for the pdf. I'm not paying £10 for a printed copy in B&W.

I don't paint much (ask Court Jester) but this is crazy. Books about models need pics of those models. Colour pics.
 
Mongoose doesn't really do "hobby" so much as just "rules". Without a dedicated miniatures line to any of their current games (IWM will change that in a couple of months) having hobby sections becomes very hard, especially if you then don't have the staff with the skills to tackle said hobby sections (which I think might be a major part of this). Also it seem as if colour printing is off the menu for the time being.

Sadly to sell a miniatures wargame and the imagery behind it to the wider community you need SEXY looking miniatures and Mongoose has NEVER had sexy looking miniatures (apart from the 3 or 4 expert models we saw painted earlier this year).

I'm not saying the ACTA miniatures are bad, just that they have never really been given a chance and I'm not saying ACTA hasn't been successful but you just think it could have been so much more.

For now whilst Mongoose re-builds their miniatures arm we will have to make do with rules and find the hobby elsewhere.

Mind you I'd be more than willing to work with them on a painting and modelling guide if they wanted. :wink:
 
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