OK, who nicked Scotland?

lastbesthope said:
Lord David the Denied said:
England, Ireland, etc. are not appropriate. The country is call the United Kingdom.
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The United Kingdom is NOT a country, it might be a nation, it is obviously a kingdom(or perhaps a collection thereof) but it is not a country, it is made up of many countries. I'm with frobisher on this one it seems.

LBH
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Actually thats the wrong way round. The UK is a country (i.e. an independent State), but the four units are not - they are nations. Nations describe groups of people of common cultural and/or genetic heritage. I don't think - whether you are pro or anti Union, that there is a British nation. Other nations include arab (with many countries), Kurdish (no country), Flemish, French (neatly ties in with one country, but I suppose includes some Candians).
 
Some links to definitions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country
http://geography.about.com/cs/politicalgeog/a/statenation.htm
 
philogara said:
Some links to definitions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country
http://geography.about.com/cs/politicalgeog/a/statenation.htm
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Ahem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country said:
Characteristics of a country
A country usually has its own government, administration and laws; and often a constitution, police, military, tax rules, and a population who are referred to as one another's countrymen. Together they form what Benedict Anderson has referred to as an imagined community.
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Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales fulfill those criteria. :p Scotland more so than Northern Ireland, and Wales only very marginally.

And also you'll note the same article in fact cites the UK and its constituent countries as an exception to the norm in the form of having Constituent Countries, which is exactlly what we've been saying :roll:
 
I don't know of any Scottish police force or military distinct from the rest of the UK, and I served in the British Army for a while. Tell me, what does their uniform look like? What sort of equipment do they use?
 
Well theres the new Scottish Regiment obviously :lol: The Scots Guards, KOSB's, Scots Dragoon Guards, The Black Watch, 51st Highland Bde :lol: They use standard British Army kit so as to confuse the sassenachs :lol:

To be fair tho Scotland does have its own laws, education system and now regional parliament.

Isnt the Police force something like the Midlothian force?

And England doesnt have an Army or a police force either. :lol:
 
Tank said:
And England doesnt have an Army or a police force either. :lol:
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Like Thames Valley police force. The Met, or 'Royal Anglian Regiment', 'The King's Regiment', 'Queen's Royal Hussars', '1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards'?
 
Well for the police that is "Regional" not national :lol:

And fine with the Regiments, all part of the same big happy family in the "British Army" :lol:
 
Tank said:
Well for the police that is "Regional" not national :lol:

And fine with the Regiments, all part of the same big happy family in the "British Army" :lol:
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At the end of the day, who cares. They all swear an oath to Queen, and country. I wonder what country that is? :twisted:
 
Ha ha ha got you know Reaverman, they only swear an oath to the Queen, not country, I asked my Dad coz he was in the forces.
 
The oath is to "the Queen, her heirs and successors and elected government," among other things.

Apparently, most people hesitate before saying "heirs and successors," and then again before "elected government." My attesting officer was impressed that I didn't hesitate during the oath...
 
Tank said:
Ha ha ha got you know Reaverman, they only swear an oath to the Queen, not country, I asked my Dad coz he was in the forces.
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Things have changed a lot since William the Conqueror :p

BTW, when I was in the Cadets, it was Queen, Country and god.
 
Dude, that's the Scouts, not Cadets... :wink:

In all seriousness I don't remember anything about the word country being part of the oath, but if you do, I might be wrong.
 
Lord David the Denied said:
Dude, that's the Scouts, not Cadets... :wink:

In all seriousness I don't remember anything about the word country being part of the oath, but if you do, I might be wrong.
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Nope it was the Cadets, we had a De'Haviland Vampire in the car park, and we all wore blue, and my cap badge had an Albatross on it (Though I have seen tank wear an Albatross around his neck :p )
 
the British Army Oath of Allegiance

I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me
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That's not the complete oath. There's more after "generals and officers," I think, and there's a line about "elected government" as well. Or Parliament. Something like that.
 
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