Official Traveller Universe or Original Traveller Universe

[captainjack23]

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Not that I'm suggesting that "first and unchecked impression" is good though - but the only thing that I think anyone needs to do to have a valid opinion of the game is to have read through the thing properly and analysed what they're saying about it before they say it.

:lol: This IS the internet, and these ARE gamers we're talking about. :lol:

Yeah. The problem is, as this is essentially a dilletant hobby, there really is no consequence for having a factually flawed opinion presenting it as fact, and defending it as fact. Consequences such as losing ones job, tenure, peer reveiw savaging, etc. One can simply toss in a controversdial aside to deflect comment, dissapear from the discussion, or just doggedly ride it into the ground. God forbit there should be an acknowlegement that someone may have good points. God. Forbid.

How one can imagine that one's internal modeling is so correct that it never need be tested is beyond me; and as far as the scientific method goes, is very very very backward looking.

 

[captainjack23]

I've been doing this since it started, and what I see is asmall but inevitable accumulation of crusty old arguers claiming ownership, and being believed by some very well meaning people. Every community that doesn't actively blackball and has been around for more that a couple of years, internet or social, accumulates this kind of toxic material.

...

I know there are those who want to demonize traveller fans, or have been harassed into assuming the same, but as Rust pointed out to me earlier, "That is a shoe I shall not wear". (It probably sounds wiser in german..). If you hate traveller fans, why post ? And if you post, have you been savaged ?

Good points.

The "crusty old arguers" are, sadly, in positions that get them noticed. So yes, they do "represent" the community, at least online, so more than a trivial extent.

Which is why, occasional counter point when the topic is raised is important. From those who aren't the Arguers.

"....and lo, you shall know them by their lack of references, citations and condescending insults".*

As for being savaged, well, I am an early casualty of the TNE war that took place on the TML back in 1990-1. I see the side effects of that war to this day.

Me too, and me too. BUt, I also see less and less people being tasked by the whole scetting change/expansion issue.

But like I said, I think that that was for reasons slightly more complex and reasonable than "everyone who didn't like TNE are Asshats"


Traveller really should have some kind of campaign and wound ribbons.....
"Tiffany Star Massacre: wounded."
"T5 playtest II campaign ribbon"
"TML survivor"
"GDW peacekeeping intervention, 1994"


* one of my favorite quotes on identifying tinfoil hattery from the old JIR.

 

[rust]

(It probably sounds wiser in german..)

Ah, well, not much, I have to admit ...

I very much like the approach of the small Traveller community I am in
contact with over here.
They are still blissfully unaware of the decades of flamewars in the histo-
ry of the game they have just begun to discover. So, instead of adding
to that sad history, they concentrate on the game itself.
As mentioned somewhere above, they have already created lots of inter-
esting new material, including three adventures. They work as Traveller
supporters, offering introductory Traveller sessions at shops. They write
house rules whenever they dislike a rule or miss one and put their ideas
on the net.
And, yes, they are a community, although a very small one, because
they play together and work together on their game.

This experience with new gamers puts me in a camp with Gipsy Comet, I
think. I am not at all against theory and discussions, but playing the ga-
me at least as much as discussing it seems a good idea to keep in touch
with what all this is about: Having fun.

 

[Infojunky]

Well with all of this, Marc just announced that he is shipping T5 this week.

Where? And are we talking about the 1000 page unedited PDF that's still actually a playtest version?

I'll let y'all know when it shows up...

 

[captainjack23]

(It probably sounds wiser in german..)

Ah, well, not much, I have to admit ...

I very much like the approach of the small Traveller community I am in
contact with over here.
They are still blissfully unaware of the decades of flamewars in the histo-
ry of the game they have just begun to discover. So, instead of adding
to that sad history, they concentrate on the game itself.
As mentioned somewhere above, they have already created lots of inter-
esting new material, including three adventures. They work as Traveller
supporters, offering introductory Traveller sessions at shops. They write
house rules whenever they dislike a rule or miss one and put their ideas
on the net.
And, yes, they are a community, although a very small one, because
they play together and work together on their game.

This experience with new gamers puts me in a camp with Gipsy Comet, I
think. I am not at all against theory and discussions, but playing the ga-
me at least as much as discussing it seems a good idea to keep in touch
with what all this is about: Having fun.

"One's hobby should not piss one off more frequently than a bad root canal....If so, it is a punishment, not a escape."

 

[captainjack23]

Well with all of this, Marc just announced that he is shipping T5 this week.

Where? And are we talking about the 1000 page unedited PDF that's still actually a playtest version?

I'll let y'all know when it shows up...

:lol:

Me too.

 

[Infojunky]

And thanks again for the ships. Now thats proof of a crappy community that entices me to buy more lead...

One that note I recently came across a vein of Traveller shup figures are you still looking for some?

 

[captainjack23]

And thanks again for the ships. Now thats proof of a crappy community that entices me to buy more lead...

One that note I recently came across a vein of Traveller shup figures are you still looking for some?

YES !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[rust]

"One's hobby should not piss one off more frequently than a bad root canal....If so, it is a punishment, not a escape."

Thank you - another nice quote to keep handy in discussions ! :lol:

 

[rust]

Oh, I was only writing about the small Fundus Ludi community I have
some contact with, not about Germany in general - I simply do not ha-
ve the necessary informations to already have an opinion on the wi-
der picture.

 

[captainjack23]

Oh, I was only writing about the small Fundus Ludi community I have
some contact with, not about Germany in general - I simply do not ha-
ve the necessary informations to already have an opinion on the wi-
der picture.

No No NO! Rust, you will be the death of me. You are supposed to overgeneralize from your small local sample....show a little respect for hallowed internet traditions. :evil:

 

[rust]

You are supposed to overgeneralize from your small local sample....show a little respect for hallowed internet traditions. :evil:

Oops, sure, of course, captain, sir ! :?

As I wanted to write, my local experience proves beyond any reasonable
doubt that Mongoose Traveller is doing extremely well not only here in
Germany, but equally well - if not better - in all of Europe and most of
Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica (the penguins love it, I hear).

There could be some minor problems down in Zimbabwe, perhaps, but
I think these are just unsubstantiated rumours.

Ah, I could get used to those Internet traditions ... :lol:

 

[captainjack23]

You are supposed to overgeneralize from your small local sample....show a little respect for hallowed internet traditions. :evil:

Oops, sure, of course, captain, sir ! :?

As I wanted to write, my local experience proves beyond any reasonable
doubt that Mongoose Traveller is doing extremely well not only here in
Germany, but equally well - if not better - in all of Europe and most of
Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica (the penguins love it, I hear).

There could be some minor problems down in Zimbabwe, perhaps, but
I think these are just unsubstantiated rumours.

Ah, I could get used to those Internet traditions ... :lol:

Much better. As you were, sailor...


Or rather: kriegsmarinemann.....

(the penguins are a nice touch)

:wink: :wink: :wink:

 

[Allensh]

Lets be clear here. I am NOT saying that there isn't criticism of MGT, or won't be, but rather that the predicted "Obsessed Traveller Purist Lobby" hasn't shown up; and the comments that it has, seem unsupported so far. And I hope that that means that most of the community has moved on from a lot of bitter rancor that was common five to ten years ago. And so, I'm hoping that this is just another "unintentional strawman/boogeyman" of the inTaRwebz

They haven't shown up here (much). They're all over CotI like a cheap suit.

Allen

Even that is totally untrue. There you have 2-3 people with a level of fanatism similar to some "Hurray MGT" fanatics here and the rest just does not care

I am not an MTG fanatic. I like the game, yes...and I feel that I shouldn't have to put up with BS because I do. But no RPG on Earth is worth being a "fanatic" over. It's just a game.

And yes, you are correct, it is only a small handful of people. I stand corrected.

Allen

 

[cbrunish]

My God!!! Has this thread become nasty. Especially over a simple question as to whether Mongoose would support the OTU. And people are suprised that we fought a war over imaginary WMD. There seems to be a war in this thread. :shock:

Lets face it. Traveller is a popular game and different people like different settings. I personally like the CT setting in TI 1105. But that is my opinion. As long as Mongoose supports my opinion I will continue to buy their products. This is not a threat but simply a consumer choice.

When it comes down to it, thats all it is. Mongoose is supplying us a product and we have a choice to purchase that product. The nice thing is that Mongoose is supplying a "generic product" and a "setting". This way I can still purchase products that I want and products that I don't. I also play Conan and that goes for over there. There have been products that I am not interested in, so I skip it. Simple.

Let's have peace people, and agree that people will disagree!

 

[captainjack23]

Let's have peace people, and agree that people will disagree!

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Let me start bay saying I agree with what you wrote. let me finish by saying that the sentiments in your post make a strange counterpoint to your sig. Not a criticism, just an odd bit of....anti serendipity ? Anti synergy ?

 

[captainjack23]

Let's have peace people, and agree that people will disagree!
_________________
"We shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"-Sir Winston Churchill

Let me start by saying I agree with what you wrote. let me finish by saying that the sentiments in your post make a strange counterpoint to your sig. Not a criticism, just an odd bit of....anti serendipity ? Anti synergy ?

 

[rust]

... you can find of most of those (i.e a guy named rust ) in the other Traveller-related german forums.

Someone with my forum name ? - A Doppleganger perhaps ? :shock:

 

[dmccoy1693]

My God!!! Has this thread become nasty. Especially over a simple question as to whether Mongoose would support the OTU.

I am still fervently arguing that it should forever be known as Third Imperium Traveller (or TIT for short).

 

[rust]

I am still fervently arguing that it should forever be known as Third Imperium Traveller (or TIT for short).

I support this, especially because with the GURPS Traveller version
there are two of them. 8)