New Supplement - Far Flung Seas

[MongooseMatt]

Far Flung Seas is a supplement for the Victory at Sea: Age of Dreadnoughts WWI naval miniatures rules. Due for release in June, it is now on pre-order.

You can find more information at http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/victory-at-sea/far-flung-seas.html

Comprising additional fleet lists, Far Flung Seas rounds out the major protagonists of the Great War. In the Mediterranean, new lists cover the Italian, Austrian and French fleets. Further afield, the U.S. Navy list from Age of Dreadnoughts is greatly expanded to cover the rest of the fleet, in addition to those vessels that fought with the Royal Navy in the North Sea. From the vast reaches of the Pacific, the Japanese Navy joins the fray, taking part in the pursuit of von Spee's squadron, raiding German territories around Tsingtao and Rabaul, and (for those of a hypothetical persuasion) challenging the U.S. Navy for dominion in the Pacific in the aftermath of the Great War. Finally, a few old friends have their fleet lists expanded slightly, with a few ships that did not make it into Age of Dreadnoughts.

As well as new fleet lists, you will find an additional campaign map to cover the Adriatic, as well as a new operational campaign system spanning the Mediterranean at the outbreak of the Great War. Far Flung Seas also expands into small ship actions with new rules covering coastal forces, such as the Royal Navy's Coastal Motor Boats, the Italian VAS and MAS boats, and other small craft.

 

[carthaginian]

Nice to see the possibilities of a "War Plan Orange" scenario here!
Will there be any new rules or special traits added by this supplement?

 

[chrisdw]

I was most interested in seeing CMB's being covered. I've always wanted to do The Krondstadt raid

Chris D-W

 

[McKinstry]

Downloaded from Wargames Vault and disappointed. The Austro-Hungarians get the Ersatz Monarch, the French the Normandies and the IJN virtually every 1920's fantasy they couldn't afford but the US doesn't get the actually built West Virginia's, no South Dakota (the post WW1 1920 design), no Lexington class BC's.

I do not understand the choices. Why bother providing only the IJN piece for War Plan Orange? Three extra pages were a killer? Four if you add the Lexington/Saratoga as CV?

 

[rcbecker1]

On the side of Mongoose These are not WWI ships. Im assuming you are asking for them as planned ships (as would I) same as the other planned ships to play battles between the two wars which is fine. I helped with the French not the USA so I cant say why they were not added. More than likely the gentleman working on this fleet over looked the the later planned ships by mistake. Now since it has been brought up, theres no reason Why Mongoose wont help with this. The only other Idea would be if Mongoose was going to put out scenarios or something for S&P with these ships to add to the game. Im not so up on stuff before WWII but will help if Mathew wants us to put out these ships and maybe a scenario or as an S&P expansion to add to the book for free as done in the past.

sugar gets more than salt.

 

[rcbecker1]

Downloaded from Wargames Vault and disappointed. The Austro-Hungarians get the Ersatz Monarch, the French the Normandies and the IJN virtually every 1920's fantasy they couldn't afford but the US doesn't get the actually built West Virginia's, no South Dakota (the post WW1 1920 design), no Lexington class BC's.

I do not understand the choices. Why bother providing only the IJN piece for War Plan Orange? Three extra pages were a killer? Four if you add the Lexington/Saratoga as CV?

As a side note hope to see you at Dragon Con this year.

 

[McKinstry]

On the side of Mongoose These are not WWI ships. Im assuming you are asking for them as planned ships (as would I) same as the other planned ships to play battles between the two wars which is fine. I helped with the French not the USA so I cant say why they were not added. More than likely the gentleman working on this fleet over looked the the later planned ships by mistake. Now since it has been brought up, theres no reason Why Mongoose wont help with this. The only other Idea would be if Mongoose was going to put out scenarios or something for S&P with these ships to add to the game. Im not so up on stuff before WWII but will help if Mathew wants us to put out these ships and maybe a scenario or as an S&P expansion to add to the book for free as done in the past.

sugar gets more than salt.

Just very puzzling that the IJN has, included in the supplement, at least three planned classes from the late teens/early twenties plus the 16" Nagato's whereas the US is lacking the actually built (and all laid down in the teens) West Virginia class of 16" ships plus the South Dakota/Lexingtons which are the only real opponents for the IJN ships. The IJN ships serve no purpose without their opponents so why include them?

 

[rcbecker1]

The chap who completed the Japanese fleet may have thought of this and the USA chap did not and DM may haved missed this or thought hay the Japanese are getting a freebie cool. but as I said Matt will probably have us stat these ships so people can do the plan orange scenario. Now I did hear rumours of extra stuff on the horizon so all that may be coming out. I do know once the S&P comes out I have plans on adding VAS stuff to it since VAS needs the love and with the new version of WWII coming out in the future.

 

[McKinstry]

As a side note hope to see you at Dragon Con this year.

Are you going to be running any VAS or ACTA stuff? I've never actually made Dragon Con as the kids have had soccer tournaments but they are all off at college.

 

[carthaginian]

It's a crying shame that the important never-were ships from the U.S.N. are missing. One of the biggest draws for this supplement was to be able to play the U.S.N.'s 'Rainbow Plans.' This supplement would have given us all the necessary nations to pull them off, and it doesn't include the best part of the planned ships for the USN.

This means that I will definitely not buy the book until 1.) S&P fills in the gaps for the USN or 2.) someone gives a detailed enough review of the book that shows it has rules I cannot live without.

This is a bad omission... like, on par with all the "Chapter X" and "Page XX" of Age of Dreadnoughts.

 

[rcbecker1]

what is:

This is a bad omission... like, on par with all the "Chapter X" and "Page XX" of Age of Dreadnoughts.

 

[rcbecker1]

As a side note hope to see you at Dragon Con this year.

Are you going to be running any VAS or ACTA stuff? I've never actually made Dragon Con as the kids have had soccer tournaments but they are all off at college.

I will be running both. I usually run between 24 and 30 hours worth of the games each year.
Ray

 

[carthaginian]

what is:

This is a bad omission... like, on par with all the "Chapter X" and "Page XX" of Age of Dreadnoughts.

Many mentions of 'look in Chapter X' in the Age of Dreadnoughts doesn't have the chapter number. The 'Chapter X' mentions that would have normally been replaced by chapter numbers during an editing process were never replaced with chapter numbers. There were also many 'Page XX' mentions included in the same manner. In 60 pages of document, there are 11 times that these kinds of mistakes appear.

Now, that being said- I knew about this and found the rules excellent enough that I purchased the book anyway. Mongoose does excellent work on their games and I am a regular buyer- I was just very disappointed at the problems in that book. It's still something I enjoy using, though.

But, just 'leaving out' ships that would be the centerpieces of a sourcebook's projected use... ouch. It's a big miss that an editor should have caught it. It would be like leaving the Federation CA, Klingon D6, and Romulan War Eagle out of the ACTA: Starfleet rulebook.

 

[rcbecker1]

well we can always look for ways to make it better if a mistake is found.
Ohhh (Errata) Do remember PDFs can be updated then you can redownload it with the corrections at least I assume Mongoose does this other people do.

 

[carthaginian]

well we can always look for ways to make it better if a mistake is found.
Ohhh (Errata) Do remember PDFs can be updated then you can redownload it with the corrections at least I assume Mongoose does this other people do.

I bought 'em in dead tree format; I like to have something to hold on to, scribble notes in, etc.
So I can't re-download the books if corrections are made.
Shame that there's a double standard for guys that buy print; I have to pay full price for a new book. Guys that buy the PDF can just download the new copy after release.

In fact, if PDF is the only way that Far Flung Seas is available, I'm even less likely to pick it up.

 

[rcbecker1]

The AOD FFS book is out in hard back. Updates to rules are usually put in the forums so you can correct your rules if there's any errata. I dont know if Mongoose updates there PDFs I just said they might. I dont think there is a double standard.

I also like paper copies myself. I have found that I like loose leaf the best then I can stick them in a binder and change update pages by printing them out and substitute them in the rule book. Im hoping this is possible with the WWII VAS rules.
Being able to print a page then substitute it in your rules as the correct one is owesome.

Im hoping to help Mongoose have a full support sytem set up for the new VAS WWII rules in the forums. Im willing to help with this when and if it happens to keep players updated, corrections posted if there are any, What if ships, new scenarios etc.

 

[McKinstry]

Is the errata out to correct/add the missing American ships? At a minimum that needs to be the West Virginia's, the 1920's South Dakota's and the Lexington class BC's as well as possibly the Panama's as every IJN ship ever mentioned in a naval architects doodles are included already.

 

[rcbecker1]

Ill check with Matt and if he okays it ill get them posted.

 

[DM]

To be honest my mistake (not MGP's) was not to edit out the weird and wonderful Japanese ships. FFS (there's a catchy acronym ) was really meant to cover WW1 only, rather than moving into "War Plan Orange" hypotheticals.

 

[McKinstry]

To be honest my mistake (not MGP's) was not to edit out the weird and wonderful Japanese ships. FFS (there's a catchy acronym ) was really meant to cover WW1 only, rather than moving into "War Plan Orange" hypotheticals.

I'm OK with dropping the 'might have beens' including the already laid down US and IJN stuff but Nagato/Mutsu are legitimate had the war lingered as is certainly the West Virginia's.

I would at least like to see the Wee Vee and her sisters even if the Lexington & South Dakota's stay out.