Mongoose's Elric RPG - Cover by Quilliams Here

Exubae said:
weasel_fierce said:
This is coming out of my ass, but Im guessing that it'll be based on Runequest specifically, with little to no similarity to Stormbringer5.
It's a shame 5th edition is a pretty cool game, the system is pretty lean and mean.
In two minds over this release, but best not prejudge, as they say best wait and see.
After all Lankhmar was pretty cool, but it only had to be compared with the old TSR suppliments for AD&D.

To me Stormbringer5 is the peak evolution of BRP. It is the fastest game system I have ever GMed, allowing great cinematic play. Unfortunately I can not say the same about current RQ rules. They are pretty much a pain in the niktaa to use. But as you say, lets not prejudge and hope that the Elric rpg from Mongoose becomes faster and more impressive than SB5.
 
If I could chose btw Mongoose and Chaosium, I think I know what I would have chosen...

Could you tell me the main differences btw RQ2/3 and Stormbringer5? Is it worth getting just for the BRP rules?

SGL.

EDIT: Don't ban me again! Mongoose of course! Mongoose! :(
 
Archer said:
I have not been visiting these forums in a long while, and when I do, the first I see is this. Is Mongoose going to publish an Elric RPG? have they got the rights from Chaosium? and if so, how close will it be systemwise to the already existing Elric!/Stormbringer 5th edition system available from Chaosium?

Mongoose doesn't need to license anything from Chaosium. I'm betting they got the rights from Moorcock directly.

Hyrum.
 
I'm pretty sure all three parties were involved in the discussions at some point. In fact when the EC stuff was first anounced MM was taken back as he knew nothing about it.
 
HyrumOWC said:
Archer said:
I have not been visiting these forums in a long while, and when I do, the first I see is this. Is Mongoose going to publish an Elric RPG? have they got the rights from Chaosium? and if so, how close will it be systemwise to the already existing Elric!/Stormbringer 5th edition system available from Chaosium?

Mongoose doesn't need to license anything from Chaosium. I'm betting they got the rights from Moorcock directly.

Hyrum.

Alas, as others have said, Mongoose pretty much had to cut a deal with
Chaosium and Mike had to sign off on it (the latter I will assume was a non
issue).

And I believe it is only a sub license since Chaosium has made SB5
available on their website again after the Mongoose "announcement".

-V
 
Trifletraxor said:
If I could chose btw Mongoose and Chaosium, I think I know what I would have chosen...

Could you tell me the main differences btw RQ2/3 and Stormbringer5? Is it worth getting just for the BRP rules?

SGL.

EDIT: Don't ban me again! Mongoose of course! Mongoose! :(

It is more streamlined, and more geared towards heroic play. The combat rules are a lot faster, and it deals with opposed rolls very smoothly as well.

The magic system for demon summoning is cool, but its worth getting the unknown east supplement which has a more freeform magic system
 
weasel_fierce said:
Trifletraxor said:
If I could chose btw Mongoose and Chaosium, I think I know what I would have chosen...

Could you tell me the main differences btw RQ2/3 and Stormbringer5? Is it worth getting just for the BRP rules?

SGL.

EDIT: Don't ban me again! Mongoose of course! Mongoose! :(

It is more streamlined, and more geared towards heroic play. The combat rules are a lot faster, and it deals with opposed rolls very smoothly as well.

The magic system for demon summoning is cool, but its worth getting the unknown east supplement which has a more freeform magic system

What the changes btw the 4th and 5th edition? 4th is available as cheap pdf, 5th is not. Any marked changes?

SGL.
 
Fifth Edition has a lot more source material - the rules are pretty much the same.

I have heard many say they actually prefer the organisation of the rules in 4th.

Last version I actually played aty length was 1st and it was a blast. I have 4th, and it seems cleaned up and more balanced. Of course the uber powerfulness of demonic sorcery in 1st was a big part of the charm and a good fit for the books I thought. No effort to make a mere warrior equal to a powerful magician with bound demons.
 
Chalk me up to the 'Nice Painting but too muscular' crowd.

As Darran posted there are many artists interpretations that match the Quilliams portrayal.
 
Trifletraxor said:
What the changes btw the 4th and 5th edition? 4th is available as cheap pdf, 5th is not. Any marked changes?

'Elric' on DriveThru is effectively 5 ED, it was released after 4th, and is effectivelly 5th but with a slightly different layout- damn fine game, its worth getting hold of the Bronze Grimoire if you want expand the magic further.

If your in to spending money the Elric Monographs are cool; the Gods of Chaos, lords of Law, Hawkmoon, and the City where Duke Avan hails from but I forgot its name... the art work and layout gets pretty good in the latter Monographs.

Sb5/Elric
The Combat is a lot cleaner and the feel is far more logical than some of the other d100 rules sets.
Magic also got a overhall from being simply demon summoning.
 
Rurik said:
Fifth Edition has a lot more source material - the rules are pretty much the same.

I have heard many say they actually prefer the organisation of the rules in 4th.

Last version I actually played aty length was 1st and it was a blast. I have 4th, and it seems cleaned up and more balanced. Of course the uber powerfulness of demonic sorcery in 1st was a big part of the charm and a good fit for the books I thought. No effort to make a mere warrior equal to a powerful magician with bound demons.

Doh! My bad - I was confusing Elric! with 4th. I have Elric!, and it is pretty much the same as 5th as per my statement above. I don't think that is the case with 4th.
 
Trifletraxor said:
Could you tell me the main differences btw RQ2/3 and Stormbringer5? Is it worth getting just for the BRP rules?

It's definitely worth getting. I used Elric/Stormbringer 5, plus RQ3 magic, as by base rule set for Glorantha since it came out in the early 90s. They work very well together, with just a few extra rules to handle DEX ranks instead of Strike Ranks and such.

Skills in Elric scale easily above 100%, with skill modifiers scaled up to compensate so that rolling against half skill, or skill -30% is a pretty common thing. Special successes are on 1/5th your skill as usual, and as skills tend to be higher are a little more common and are used for more in the rules.

In combat you can split your skill to get multiple attacks (minimum 50% per attack, all splits are as even as possible) and each parry/dodge past the first is at -30%, then -60%, etc. This means combat becomes very fluid and dynamic.

Different combat tactics are handled by rules nuggets so for example aimed shots, ripostes, etc are very easy to find and are handled in a fairly consistent way.

Damage was handled as in previous editions of Stormbringer. Armour gave you a dice roll that was deducted from damage. A wound that inflicted half you're HPs in one go was a Major Wound. You then roll for location, and that location is disabled. As a result you don't have to roll location per wound, or track HPs per location, but you still get locational damage.

Only the rules for damage to weapons and weapon types are a bit too detailed and awkward for my tastes, but it's no big deal. I still think the combination of Elric and RQ3 cults/magic are an excellent choice. In fact here are my Elric/Glorantha Conversion Notes.
 
Darran said:
I have fixed the picture a bit by making Elric thinner, added pointed ears, sharpening Stormbringer, and altering the colour balance across the picture.
What do you think? :D

Can you make the blade a bit narrower near the base? :)
 
Hey trifletraxor - if you're thinking of getting stormbringer5 for the BRP rules you might want to wait until Chaosiums forthcoming "BRP the Chaosium System" is released........you might have a long wait mind.
 
simonh said:
Trifletraxor said:
Could you tell me the main differences btw RQ2/3 and Stormbringer5? Is it worth getting just for the BRP rules?

It's definitely worth getting. I used Elric/Stormbringer 5, plus RQ3 magic, as by base rule set for Glorantha since it came out in the early 90s. They work very well together, with just a few extra rules to handle DEX ranks instead of Strike Ranks and such.

Skills in Elric scale easily above 100%, with skill modifiers scaled up to compensate so that rolling against half skill, or skill -30% is a pretty common thing. Special successes are on 1/5th your skill as usual, and as skills tend to be higher are a little more common and are used for more in the rules.

In combat you can split your skill to get multiple attacks (minimum 50% per attack, all splits are as even as possible) and each parry/dodge past the first is at -30%, then -60%, etc. This means combat becomes very fluid and dynamic.

Different combat tactics are handled by rules nuggets so for example aimed shots, ripostes, etc are very easy to find and are handled in a fairly consistent way.

Damage was handled as in previous editions of Stormbringer. Armour gave you a dice roll that was deducted from damage. A wound that inflicted half you're HPs in one go was a Major Wound. You then roll for location, and that location is disabled. As a result you don't have to roll location per wound, or track HPs per location, but you still get locational damage.

Only the rules for damage to weapons and weapon types are a bit too detailed and awkward for my tastes, but it's no big deal. I still think the combination of Elric and RQ3 cults/magic are an excellent choice. In fact here are my Elric/Glorantha Conversion Notes.

That's great! Just bought the pdf-file. I'll have a good look at your conversion rules once I've read through the rules section. I really love the RQ3 system, with its intuitive feel, but combat takes ages, so it would be good with some more fluidity.

SGL.
 
Golden Wheel Dancer said:
Hey trifletraxor - if you're thinking of getting stormbringer5 for the BRP rules you might want to wait until Chaosiums forthcoming "BRP the Chaosium System" is released........you might have a long wait mind.

Yes, I will definitely buy BRP the Chaosium System, but as you said, it might take ages before it gets out. High quality and poor productivity seems to be the Hallmark of Chaosium.

SGL.
 
Trifletraxor said:
Yes, I will definitely buy BRP the Chaosium System, but as you said, it might take ages before it gets out. High quality and poor productivity seems to be the Hallmark of Chaosium.

SGL.

we can get together and play it in the retirement home
 
weasel_fierce said:
Trifletraxor said:
Yes, I will definitely buy BRP the Chaosium System, but as you said, it might take ages before it gets out. High quality and poor productivity seems to be the Hallmark of Chaosium.

SGL.

we can get together and play it in the retirement home

I already have a pension plan in place ready for when Chaosium's BRP comes out! :D
 
Looking at my 1970s Elric paperbacks, he was shown as muscly then, too.

The Elric of Melnibone picture has him with snow white hair, elomgated face, strange red eyes slanting down from outside top to inside bottom with blackish dragon armour.

So, long pointy chin rather than square chin, whiter hair, funny coloured red eyes, not thin but not conan-like with black runeic dragon armour. Stormbringer should have more runes clearly visible as well.

And he should be killing something, or preferably lots of things. But he sometimes feels guilty about it afterwards, especially if he has killed friends/family/loved ones.

But, nice pictures all round.
 
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