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That would give a better result.

It makes me wonder why not just having it based off a websever and java/flash based - no OS issues.
 
Roger Calver said:
That would give a better result.

It makes me wonder why not just having it based off a websever and java/flash based - no OS issues.

I'm not always somewhere where I have a network connection :) but you could also make it Silverlight in that vein ...
 
dreamingbadger said:
Roger Calver said:
That would give a better result.

It makes me wonder why not just having it based off a websever and java/flash based - no OS issues.

I'm not always somewhere where I have a network connection :) but you could also make it Silverlight in that vein ...

Well it doesn't have to require a network connection, if design to run in a browser or Java this doesn't have to involve a webserver.
 
Exactly, also by going online you have access to other peoples updates/data.

Rog.

AndrewW said:
dreamingbadger said:
Roger Calver said:
That would give a better result.

It makes me wonder why not just having it based off a websever and java/flash based - no OS issues.

I'm not always somewhere where I have a network connection :) but you could also make it Silverlight in that vein ...

Well it doesn't have to require a network connection, if design to run in a browser or Java this doesn't have to involve a webserver.
 
AndrewW said:
dreamingbadger said:
Roger Calver said:
That would give a better result.

It makes me wonder why not just having it based off a websever and java/flash based - no OS issues.

I'm not always somewhere where I have a network connection :) but you could also make it Silverlight in that vein ...

Well it doesn't have to require a network connection, if design to run in a browser or Java this doesn't have to involve a webserver.

I don't have Java installed on my home pc... any more than i allow active-x controls to run...
 
This is only a library data application. The software is simple (the content matters), - just a database with a nice front end, really. Searching text and changing skins. Could easily be done in Director for PC/Mac all at once. Could be done in Flash, for that matter. Actually, just a custom browser with XML would be enough. Basically it's a hypertext document - pretty old skool really.

(BTW, OS share is now weighted by country, giving China especially more weight; before the change earlier this year, when the metrics just gathered data about mainly the US, Mac was getting close to a 10% share - and that is mainly the home market, so for the target market of this product it is not the 93% for Windows that the raw data seems to suggest).
 
Klaus Kipling said:
This is only a library data application. The software is simple (the content matters), - just a database with a nice front end, really. Searching text and changing skins. Could easily be done in Director for PC/Mac all at once. Could be done in Flash, for that matter. Actually, just a custom browser with XML would be enough. Basically it's a hypertext document - pretty old skool really.

(BTW, OS share is now weighted by country, giving China especially more weight; before the change earlier this year, when the metrics just gathered data about mainly the US, Mac was getting close to a 10% share - and that is mainly the home market, so for the target market of this product it is not the 93% for Windows that the raw data seems to suggest).

A simple rule of informatics is this: All data generated for marketing by one of the participants needs be considered with great suspicion, and only considered for order of magnitude level of accuracy comparisons.

So: for every MAC there are approximately 9 PCs is about the best one can say. The rest is straining at false accuracy, I fear.

Caveat: Me, I use MAC for much, PC as needed, UNIX for most professional aps I use.

That said, as Klaus reiterates, the question is about the data to be used, not the OS, code or platform. PDF and XML and especially csv or text files can be easily read by any application on any platform using any OS . Heck, every platform has a version of a browser that can present data from a formatted file or a data container.

One could easily use a PSQL/MySQL database to read in text files from a local (non internet) file and present them in a browser using apache or somesuch. This could also have an editing function thru nearly any office or notepad app.

easy peasy, and probably turnkey available cheap or open source.

That said, the question asked was: what data ? The traveller Wiki has been suggested to not be a good idea by its main proponents, designers and administrators simply becuase it is by nature an attempt to reconcile and blend where multiple canon exists. And I think that's an excellent point.

I think they may have to just compile and text proccess the data from their own modules first, (as needed) and then the FFE files as neccessary. In other words stick to basics and skip having to appoint a canon czar.

Then, present it as a clearly POV product produced in a constricted information environment. Blame the typos on the imperial ministry of truth.
 
Thanks, Captain. :D

POV is also an acronym for a couple of other things, from the arts to me-
dicine to raytracing to ... no, you do not want to know that one, you are
married ... and so I was slightly unsure ... :lol:
 
captainjack23 said:
Then, present it as a clearly POV product produced in a constricted information environment. Blame the typos on the imperial ministry of truth.

I for one have no interest in "POV products" as a GM - I need "the truth" for my games. If they want to do a "what the players know" kind of thing then that's fine, but if they do that then there needs to be a section where the GM-only info is available.
 
rust said:
Thanks, Captain. :D

POV is also an acronym for a couple of other things, from the arts to me-
dicine to raytracing to ... no, you do not want to know that one, you are
married ... and so I was slightly unsure ... :lol:



.......... :shock:
 
EDG said:
captainjack23 said:
Then, present it as a clearly POV product produced in a constricted information environment. Blame the typos on the imperial ministry of truth.

I for one have no interest in "POV products" as a GM - I need "the truth" for my games. If they want to do a "what the players know" kind of thing then that's fine, but if they do that then there needs to be a section where the GM-only info is available.


While I do have interest in POV products, i do agree about this kind of format. It always bugged me when MT made two separate products , one for players, one with "the truth".
 
captainjack23 said:
A simple rule of informatics is this: All data generated for marketing by one of the participants needs be considered with great suspicion, and only considered for order of magnitude level of accuracy comparisons.

That was from Net Applications, rather than Apple PR. :)

captainjack23 said:
So: for every MAC there are approximately 9 PCs is about the best one can say. The rest is straining at false accuracy, I fear.

True. Anecdotally, however, the Apple presence on the high street has increased by many orders of magnitude over the last 5 or 10 years. The the iPod leads, the Macinstosh follows...

But I've threadjacked enough, now.


The big design issue with this will not be technical, but authorial.
 
Klaus Kipling said:
captainjack23 said:
A simple rule of informatics is this: All data generated for marketing by one of the participants needs be considered with great suspicion, and only considered for order of magnitude level of accuracy comparisons.

That was from Net Applications, rather than Apple PR. :)


heh. sure. After all, it could have been from MS, also.
:wink:
captainjack23 said:
So: for every MAC there are approximately 9 PCs is about the best one can say. The rest is straining at false accuracy, I fear.

True. Anecdotally, however, the Apple presence on the high street has increased by many orders of magnitude over the last 5 or 10 years. The the iPod leads, the Macinstosh follows...

But I've threadjacked enough, now.


The big design issue with this will not be technical, but authorial.

Agreed. As ever, traveller seems to be on the cutting edge of those issues..;/
 
Well I dropped my vote in the poll. I was kinda shcked that Linux was higher up in percentage over Mac, but between Mac and Linux sitting at 20%, compared to the windows 80% I would have to see some major Mac and Linux votes to change it much. Even though the poll is not a 100% Formal poll being conducted by Mongoose if I was writing an OS specific software produce for Traveller I would have to go with Windows as the market share is there. So please folks don't fight ok, I mean this is for a game being done by a company that works to make a profit. As a company that is working to make a profit it is reasonable to understand to make things that more people can use. Which as the poll stands now even though informal says Windows. At 22:10 Hr's Mountain time on Sep 8, 2009. If it changes to Mac or Linux in the poll I will be surprised.
 
Jacqual said:
Well I dropped my vote in the poll. I was kinda shcked that Linux was higher up in percentage over Mac, but between Mac and Linux sitting at 20%, compared to the windows 80% I would have to see some major Mac and Linux votes to change it much. Even though the poll is not a 100% Formal poll being conducted by Mongoose if I was writing an OS specific software produce for Traveller I would have to go with Windows as the market share is there. So please folks don't fight ok, I mean this is for a game being done by a company that works to make a profit. As a company that is working to make a profit it is reasonable to understand to make things that more people can use. Which as the poll stands now even though informal says Windows. At 22:10 Hr's Mountain time on Sep 8, 2009. If it changes to Mac or Linux in the poll I will be surprised.

That was never in question. But there's nothing stopping it from being made to work on multiple platforms and capturing more of the market.
 
AndrewW said:
That was never in question. But there's nothing stopping it from being made to work on multiple platforms and capturing more of the market.

There is though. Money. Resources. Development time. Testing.

Would it be nice to get the rest of the market? Sure. Would it be worth it? Most likely not. They'd probably have to spend a lot more money to do that than would be balanced by any gain in market. And developers know that the rest of the market can do things themselves (emulators, boot camp etc) to run windows programs, so why should they spend the money to get it working on every kind of system themselves? And if consumers don't want to do that, well, they wouldn't have bought the program anyway would they?
 
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